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Old 05-15-2009, 07:56 AM   #1
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Matusows book and drug testing for the WSOP

Mike admits dozens of times throughout his book that taking the "Ritalin" prescribed by his doctor for his ADHD (Attention deficit hyperactivity disorder) gives him a huge edge whilst playing poker. He says the drug elevates his consciousness and sustains his focus at superhuman levels for long periods which gives him the ability to do so well. He takes this drug legally and regularly now and is making big money.
Taking any form of mind altering chemical - legal or illegal- in the tournament surely arena gives those with them in their system an unfair edge over those self medicating with blueberries , yoga or just a good nights sleep so I think we should demand routine drug screening before awards of final table bracelets and money at the WSOP. If you read what Mikey says and then start thinking about some of the characters who have made their fame and fortune when they might have been "enhanced" isnt it a very unfair playing field for 7 weeks of what is a mind sport .
I dont believe it is fair that somebody who has an illness is given a medicine which can elevate their poker game to a standard which cannot be attained unless they are ill. By all means allow him to be medicated to lead a happy normal life but is the diagnosis of this condition a through ticket to $$$$$$$$$$$ .
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Old 05-15-2009, 08:25 AM   #2
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Old 05-15-2009, 08:25 AM   #3
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ok hand on the heart now op:

will u or have u ever attended any tournament in the WSOP? actually, have u ever attended a tournament with a four figure buyin at all? gtfo.
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Old 05-15-2009, 08:25 AM   #4
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Old 05-15-2009, 08:27 AM   #5
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wow you're a big idiot
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Old 05-15-2009, 08:28 AM   #6
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ever heard of lance armstrong?
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Old 05-15-2009, 08:55 AM   #7
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ummmm pretty sure P.A has never taken drugs and he seems to be doing just fine
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Old 05-15-2009, 08:58 AM   #8
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He says the drug elevates his consciousness and sustains his focus at superhuman levels...
come on
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Old 05-15-2009, 09:02 AM   #9
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Re: Matusows book and drug testing for the WSOP

So...you want them to test for a legal substance that someone obtains legally and then ban them from participating?

Forget about the WSOP...have you ever been to AMERICA.
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Old 05-15-2009, 09:05 AM   #10
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ummmm pretty sure P.A has never taken drugs and he seems to be doing just fine
He's not human that's why
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Old 05-15-2009, 09:06 AM   #11
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Methylphenidate is the most commonly prescribed psychostimulant and works by increasing the activity of the central nervous system.[13] It produces such effects as increasing or maintaining alertness, combating fatigue, and improving attention.[8] The benefits and cost effectiveness of methylphenidate is well established in the short term treatment of ADHD. The benefits and cost effectiveness of methylphenidate long term are unknown due to a lack of research.[14][15] The long term effects of methylphenidate on the developing brain are unknown. Methylphenidate is not approved for children under six years of age.[16][17]

Mikey can┤t be taking that.
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Old 05-15-2009, 09:33 AM   #12
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Mike admits dozens of times throughout his book that taking the "Ritalin" prescribed by his doctor for his ADHD (Attention deficit hyperactivity disorder) gives him a huge edge whilst playing poker. He says the drug elevates his consciousness and sustains his focus at superhuman levels for long periods which gives him the ability to do so well. He takes this drug legally and regularly now and is making big money.
Taking any form of mind altering chemical - legal or illegal- in the tournament surely arena gives those with them in their system an unfair edge over those self medicating with blueberries , yoga or just a good nights sleep so I think we should demand routine drug screening before awards of final table bracelets and money at the WSOP. If you read what Mikey says and then start thinking about some of the characters who have made their fame and fortune when they might have been "enhanced" isnt it a very unfair playing field for 7 weeks of what is a mind sport .
I dont believe it is fair that somebody who has an illness is given a medicine which can elevate their poker game to a standard which cannot be attained unless they are ill. By all means allow him to be medicated to lead a happy normal life but is the diagnosis of this condition a through ticket to $$$$$$$$$$$ .
Let's play the "think before you speak" game...you go first genius. You're seriously speaking of screening for legal and/or prescription drugs? I'm assuming that you would want the person who has to take nitroglycerin pills for a heart condition to also be excluded from winning $$$ b/c the nitro allows the person to maintain a somewhat regular heartbeat?
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Old 05-15-2009, 09:45 AM   #13
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I dont believe it is fair that somebody who has an illness is given a medicine
good 1st post!
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Old 05-15-2009, 09:48 AM   #14
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lol this is a really good level
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Old 05-15-2009, 09:50 AM   #15
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Re: Matusows book and drug testing for the WSOP

Nahhh, poker is like the all-drug olympics. Uppers, downers, whatever you want. It's a level playing field because everybody's free to enhance themselves any way they see fit. And this way, we don't have to go through our version of the steroid scandal.
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Old 05-15-2009, 09:50 AM   #16
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lol this is a really good level
Not really, since whoever it is wasn't willing to use their own account.
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Old 05-15-2009, 09:51 AM   #17
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Re: Matusows book and drug testing for the WSOP

if he really has ADHD, Ritalin is only getting his concentration to a more 'normal' focus.

Not sure how the chemical works for normal vs. ADHD people, but when normal ppl take Ritalin, it does elevate their concentration and thinking capacity, like a kid's version of crystal meth

So THAT's where Mike's zanny behavior comes from!
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Old 05-15-2009, 10:02 AM   #18
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I dont believe it is fair that somebody who has an illness is given a medicine
allright! welcome to NVG - you will be doing just fine in here.
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Old 05-15-2009, 10:10 AM   #19
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if he really has ADHD, Ritalin is only getting his concentration to a more 'normal' focus.

Not sure how the chemical works for normal vs. ADHD people, but when normal ppl take Ritalin, it does elevate their concentration and thinking capacity, like a kid's version of crystal meth

So THAT's where Mike's zanny behavior comes from!
It really didn't occur to me as much but now that I think about it, when I did take ADHD pills I did win much more money in Poker than I did without taking ADHD. Everything he says is ofcourse true and people do win and play much better while using ADHD. Also, taking ADHD before a test does indeed help getting a better grade.
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Old 05-15-2009, 10:11 AM   #20
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Re: Matusows book and drug testing for the WSOP

good reasoning seeings mikey has 99 bracelets and wins every tournament he enters amirite?


my guess is mikeys feels something he normally can't without the drug but something we normally feel that don't need the drug and to him it feels like superhuman only because he normally doesnt feel it.


mikey seems to be in a good place in his life atm, the weight loss, positive thinking, correcting a chemical imbalance etc. really nice to see someone get their life right.


would be interesting to know who op was, 1st post and all, wonder if its a jealous pro famous pro i mean, that we would recognise
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Old 05-15-2009, 10:14 AM   #21
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Try to be more condescending in your post next time little dthouse
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Old 05-15-2009, 10:23 AM   #22
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Re: Matusows book and drug testing for the WSOP

it's true.. w/o ritallin i would have failed this year no problem
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Old 05-15-2009, 10:29 AM   #23
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It really didn't occur to me as much but now that I think about it, when I did take ADHD pills I did win much more money in Poker than I did without taking ADHD. Everything he says is ofcourse true and people do win and play much better while using ADHD. Also, taking ADHD before a test does indeed help getting a better grade.
where can i get some of this ADHD? it sounds great
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Old 05-15-2009, 10:31 AM   #24
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This topic was discussed in length a while back. This is the conclusion I reached:
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Ok, fair enough. So in your opinion if a person needs a chemical substance in order to mentally function at the level defined as "normal" by the AMA they should be allowed to use this substance in competition?

Would you agree that use of these substances by an individual who has the ability to mentally function at or above the "normal" level without them could be defined as a form of "cheating"?

-With cheating being defined as a method of gaining a competitive edge not available to all participants.
Original Thread.
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Old 05-15-2009, 10:35 AM   #25
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Wonder why the op never came back? Someone save this for worst post of the year please. I dont post often in NVG, but this one deserved something being said.
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