i agree

Sure seems to be.

yes,.. and Do it quickly so it doesn't look like there is enough time to alter a large dump.

And the Leaker could obv. edit out anything about herself (ehhh...I mean 'them-self")

ADZ measures all sucess by how much money/expensive things people own. Which in his case is all paid for by his father, no wonder he is so insecure

I think you guys should look into his live play also didn't he post on twitter that he had something absurd like 40 winning sessions in a row at bellagio is it far fetched at this point for him to have custom "Louie" glasses that can read marked cards

Where did you get the info that Josh tyler is a hacker and a scammer? I dont know him but have some mutual friends so I'd be interested to know....

Still shocked that Stars/FTP is resorting to their standard line of investigation despite the earth shattering implications this could have on them & not showing up to say a word on 2+2. This really has me second guessing managerial decisions @ Poker Stars & how they could get completely wiped out by Steve Wynn & the competition if online poker goes through in the U.S.

Their policies for dealing with cheating & relying on 2+2 to do much of the grunt work have undoubtedly contributed to the scale of this scam & hurt their own long & short term profitability (other than keeping a substantial amount of confiscated funds cheated from other players as profit)

Combine that with their sub optimal long term rake method as mentioned in the other thread re: ensuring the longevity of online poker.

I was trying to grind hard on Merge to build up enough of a roll to head to Canada & play some WCOOP events next month. Have absolutely 0 incentive to do so right now.

.... Really pissing me off & shooting themselves in the foot imo

what would you have them do?

The alleged hackers didn't hack PokerStars client/servers, but the players directly. Therefore PokerStars can't really dig up or release any "proof" especially considering how weird HS hand histories can look.

I think it's up to the hacked players to go through their HHs to find superuser like statistics and scan their computers for trojans and report the results.

PokerStars client, servers or games in general haven't been compromised, so stop blaming and pressuring them.

And what program is best to scan your computer right now?

Please more info on this!!

Perform a much better job of working with players involved instead of keeping everything so hush hush...

I agree the root of the problem is not their fault nor is it their responsibility to keep others computers clean.

They can clearly step up as an extremely powerful & influential organization to beef up due diligence on their part & take more of a leadership role in this process. I don't have all the answers but this is certainly bad for business & the way they historically deal with this stuff clearly hasn't been much of a help.

I'm not positive but I believe there was an instance documented here where some hh's were reported to their security dept. which were cleared and later found to be unethically played after players pressed the issue further by doing more research of their own.

yessir, pretty big accusations with little proof!

http://www.thelocal.se/37400/20111117/


Zoric was convicted for assault and battery the same year & is out bail awaiting trial for the Casino Cosmopol incident.
Plays high stakes.

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Agree, agree and agree to this post as a whole. I was among those who wanted PokerStars to take some action regarding this... that is, until I got a better understanding (through the banter in this thread) about how everything had gone down.

But to the bolded point, would/should PokerStars be willing to release pools of hand histories to a trusted agent (e.g. a Michael Josem or similar) so that said agent can evaluate the play for superuser-like anomalies? Yes, each hacked player can look into his/her HHs. But a greater case could be made if the hacked players collectively pooled their HHs. Since they're probably not allowed to do that individually -- and Stars would not send other players' HHs to any given individual -- the investigation would have to be done via a trusted entity.

Of course, I realize Stars wouldn't be able to do much beyond that. I'm just saying it's one place in this whole mess where the site might be able to contribute. Please correct me if I'm wrong -- I'm largely speculating and spit-balling here.

Is the concept of internal investigations obsolete?

I cannot imagine that any site has the resources to do an investigation the way the hive mind can. The site hold the information, the crowd has the resources. If we are to rid the industry of fraud I think these two entities need to find a way to combine these pieces.

This is how we came to understand the truly insidious nature of AP/UB. When the information that the site holds was released to the crowd of investigators the truth came out.

I pray to the poker gods that this can become the norm for investigations.

Great post

Just registered.

Allready liking this forum bigtime.

Think about it. To get this info, you would have to hack either Samer or Matt

Anything. Post here acknowledging they're aware of this. Tell us their hands are tied, if that's the case. They could even use those swell emoticons too!

Easier said than done as this needs more whistle blowers.

Naturally I brought all this to the attention of my producers at the WPT. As it turns out, they were not intending to have him return as a Ones to Watch for season 11 anyway.

My relationship with Matt previous to all this was congenial and professional. He was always pleasant to me, and we had no negative run-ins. Even after conspiring to cheat and blowing up on me I don't feel disdain for Matt the same way I do for many other scummy people in poker. I think that many of the money-hungry, deceptive, ******* types we encounter in poker are perfectly self aware that what they're doing/about-to-do is ****ed up and greedy but they're just too selfish to care. I think Matt has a genuine personality disorder and truly believes that the world has spontaneously turned on him just because of a misunderstanding. I think he suffers from delusions and crippling insecurity. I think he's sick in the head.

None of this is an excuse or rationale for what he's done, and I believe if he decides to still hang around poker he'll justly be treated like a pariah. But for once I find a poker scandal more saddening than infuriating.

Well said but it's difficult to agree with the last sentence.

I'm willing to admit it's a result of personal bias.

is this post like when your parents tell you they're not mad at you...but disappointed?

oush! just based on an outsiders perspective, this does seem to be the case on many fronts...i just saw his "the kid" and yea, dude does seem like he wants more than he is due...i also found it interesting the role his father has in his finances, i never knew he had family money and i thought he was a self made phenom...

i find it real interesting that an intelligent person like yourself, Bond18, would genuinely say you think he has personality issues...that may certainly be the case, I do remember reading a tweet of his talking about seeing a psychiatrist so he himself may be aware and trying to control it...still sad...i really liked following his tweets cuz i just thought he was a nut (like in a good way, like that funny dbag guy you know who is one of your best friends because under all the dumb **** he is still a good person) but it looks like he may be a bit too nutty in a bad way.