yes, thats exactly what i thought. He uses the same "i am one of the victims" strategy.

well according to the chat it was the plan to play as adz as the regs see him as a fish and would give him HU action all day long.

Absolutely intriguing.

Makes ya wonder about the elite hackers out there and how much they can successfully pilfer from online banking undetected.

I should have studied computer science! Bahaha

in banking law there was a case where the virus transferred money and self-deleted itself. Coolest one I`ve read prob is a virus created by an employee that caused havok on a few thousand computers owned by the company. He shorted their stock day before- the stock never went down tho- seemed investors weren`t too flustered :P

Scariest case ever is perhaps Julian Greene in the UK. Charged with possession of child pornography, he was in detention for 3 months unable to post bale, lost possession of the house and access to wife and kids. Case dropped after 11 trojans were found on his pc- unreal, and that could happen to anyone

Yea ive heard about these office scams before, this is the worst one i've heard yet: A group decided to infect the accounting system with a computer virus, designed to divert fractions of pennies into a bank account they control. They believed the scheme to be foolproof because they think that over a long period of time they will be able to accumulate a substantial amount of money in units so small that companies generally don't bother keeping track of them. On their last day at Initech, they also steal a parting gift from the office: a frequently-malfunctioning laser printer, which the three beat to pieces in a field.

there were grains of salt on the rim, huge grains of salt and i said no salt. Then i said i would take my travelers checks to a competing resort!

Extorting poker players for winnings, getting them to cheat each other for profits, seems like an unbelievable racket. These motorcycle gangs are no joke!

thanks for the reply and your insight (he responded to my post about why there are so many names created seemingly just to post in this thread)

2+2er's did help find Bin Laden... Obv they were afraid of the camel riders alliance (CRA if you want to sound like a boss) and chose to let Obama and the feds take all the credit. They have nukes, camel gangs don't scare them.

nice keif avatar sir. unless that's not keif. maybe it just looks like keif to me because i'm drrrryyyyy.

Things may be different in Sweeden than the US but based on personal knowledge of similar groups (with international ties), this is how I would approach the situation. No you don't go around getting quotes lol. I'm guessing at least one or two affected Swedish player(s) know, or have friends or family who could put them in contact with the right people but who knows. Slick hatin' tho!

These gangs do some ****ed up indefensible stuff. At the same time they aren't pricks 100% of the time & the point about protecting the livelihood of their brotherhood, and extending that to friends, or friends of friends as a service or simple favor, is very important to them and obtaining help really isn't that risky compared to not having protection if put in a tough spot. When it comes down to it they're running a business & starting **** with an equally dangerous group is generally a poor decision for these guys, they realize that. Good can definitely come from doing this & it can completely kill an issue. The end result may even be you paying off the gang threatening you through the one protecting/mediating. Either way, once settled between these groups you'll be able to sleep in peace with a pretty high assurance that the issue won't come up again.

You are right if some thugs randomly showed up @ my door threatening to kill me I would probably do what they want (but maybe not if I saw an out, depends on the situation & Im different than alot of people in these types of spots). The minute they walked out the door though I'd pick up the phone. If I received vague threats beforehand, that phone call would've already been made. In the US it would be to the FBI, local police, and a third party, depending on the situation one or more of those organizations may be excluded.

If you contact HA and hire them for protection, then you are friends with HA and that is not a pleasant thing. Theese are not the old school bikers theese are total d-bags and eventually they will claim you owe them money and soon both Bandidos and HA is
chasing you.

The tough guy approach is not the way to solve this issue, you can not fight fire with a lighter. The Swedish poker scene needs a cleansing just like the inernational one.
The old school greeds and cheats need to be rooted out and that process is ongoing at nvg right now, every week more and more scum are beeing outed and as a community we will continue to out theese bastards that har hindering poker from its potential.

Btw

So why did all info on Zoran Zoric get deleted. He is officially charged with casino scam awaiting trial, not much speculation there, public info ffs.

B/c hes so underground

i need some cliffs plz

All info om ladens whereabouts were modded.

From what I heard UBL threatened to file charges against 2p2 and Sklansky caved.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_QPDA...eature=related

Interesting watch in the light of this thread "he is a good kid" "has a real good heart"

[QUOTE=Matacow;34211018]If you contact HA and hire them for protection, then you are friends with HA and that is not a pleasant thing. Theese are not the old school bikers theese are total d-bags and eventually they will claim you owe them money and soon both Bandidos and HA is
chasing you.

My personal knowledge pertains to what you'd probably consider "old school bikers" although some badass mofos (from what I've heard, never got that close) & that wasn't the case. Does appear to be a different scene & I think you've been one of the best posters itt about this stuff so I'm not going to argue out of ignorance with what's up in Sweeden.

The tough guy approach is not the way to solve this issue, you can not fight fire with a lighter. The Swedish poker scene needs a cleansing just like the inernational one.
The old school greeds and cheats need to be rooted out and that process is ongoing at nvg right now, every week more and more scum are beeing outed and as a community we will continue to out theese bastards that har hindering poker from its potential.

Agree 110% at this point

(Sorry I suck @ quoting/responding to quotes... need to take NVG 101)

"Dolce, Prada, blahblah, blablah, you get the idea."

I have to give him credit, that's maybe the douchiest thing I've ever seen.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=18exo...eature=related

golden

Cliffs (Long)

- Anonymous source posts chat log by Matt Marafioti (ADZ) & alleged hacker Samer Rahman where they discuss planting trojans into other high stakes players comps & cheating them out of $$$.
- ADZ discovers trojans on his computers likely planted by Samer. It appears ADZ is a target & pawn in said scam to cheat others & then get cheated himself
- ADZ confirms via twitter he is friends with Samer & alleged conversation took place but was doctored
- Mr. Hickey posts on behalf of "reliable source" claims Matt has stated Samer is responsible for several other hackings & operate the Alladin account on FTP
- Samer is an IT expert known to have connections to Mohammed Kowssarie aka TerrorofSweden & Fast_Freddy who hacked Patrik Antonius & Johnny Lodden for mils. Samer & Mohammed are found to have strong ties to Swedish Bandidos, a violent biker gang
- Becomes known many HS swedes have been scammed by said gang & threatened in person. Thread documenting cheating on a Swedish poker forum apparently deleted by OP at his request due to said threats
- This is no secret throughout the Swedish poker, swedish poker players are rightfully scared of the criminals
- ADZ goes off on twitter & blows up, denies various accusations, people lol @ him & those that know him IRL confirm he's an doucher, scumbag, cheat, multiaccounter etc. Virtually noone defends ADZ
- aggo receives PM from unnamed source who won't post in public bc it would "send him to his grave" stating Mohammed's older brother is or used to be President of Swedish Bandidos, later discovered by Matacow Mohammed finance a restaurant with President of Bandidos Mc Sweden Mehdi Seyyed, restaurant is later seized by state as assetts of Bandidos ciminal activities
- Owner of PokerListings was killed by Swedish Hells Angels in order to avoid giving testimony against former business partner.
- More info posted, biker gangs in Sweden are v. prominent & feared especially in the poker community, especially the Bandidos
- Samer Rahman posts ITT, denies any wrongdoing, claims his computer was hacked & is being framed, claims to be a public figure in Sweden, contacts Mat Sklansky & asks thread to be removed
- People lol @ Samer's response & immediately tear it to shreds. During initial skype log Matt requests a video chat which is assumed to have taken place making Samer's denials impossible
-Thread is taken down at Samer's request & pending review... 3 hours later thread reopened because it is decided many of the accusations are credibly
- pokervangelist reports ADZ was @ Bellagio last night & claims ex gf Lauren Kling had to be anonymous source who sent out the chat logs
- Jas posts who was scammed out of 260k+ on pokerstars mostly by the accts saman_r, and westisbestis who played extremely similar with insanely loose stats. He discovered a trojan on his comp shortly after & had it reformatted with dif security, 3 days later he find saman_r playing 1/2 plo, asks if he wants to play 25/50 hu & saman insta leaves the table
- Many new accounts presumably from Swedish players hiding their identities post ITT confirming much of the speculation regarding organized crime's violence & influence to online poker & overall culture in Sweden
- Picture is posted by new acct with 1 post shows ADZ & Raman playing online side by side in a hotel suite during EPT San Remo in 2010. In the same pic is Zoran Zoric who is accused participant in Casino Cosmopol scam 2011 in Gothenburg. Zoric was convicted for assault the same year & is out bail awaiting trial for the Casino Cosmopol incident.
- NVG asks Swedish players for more info while maintaining anonymity, relevant posts from new accts are given more credence than in the past on 2+2 & lots of relevant info is posted.


Throughout the thread other posters chime in mostly discussing ADZ & his personality, the validity of original chat logs, Saman R & mohammed K, hacking, & Swedish Mafia (not the dj's!)

Did my best to cover everything I could up to this point. Apologies for any errors.

^^ isn't the idea that cliffs are shorter than the thread?

(but ty)

I heard that 'Napoleon Bonaparte' was a pseudonym.

Cliffs R gr8.

solid imo, thanks.