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Old 09-13-2009, 11:14 PM   #121
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Re: Man wins "ladies" champion at Borgata

It's time for equality. Call it a "Ladies Night" tournament and heavily encourage/promote female participation. Men can play if they want as well. Stop trying to treat women and men differently in non-physical competitions.

If you're a woman and you don't like playing with men, tough luck. Try joining the real world. There's all sorts of people in it. Think a "no-asians allowed" tournament would go over well?

Can't handle being out in society? Have fun at your safe knitting club on Wednesday nights.
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And it's not like this is the first time a man has entered a "ladies" poker tournament. Yeesh.
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Old 09-13-2009, 11:26 PM   #122
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i don't get it. not as if there's not enough action to be had in AC...
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Old 09-13-2009, 11:46 PM   #123
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Old 09-13-2009, 11:59 PM   #124
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well, what about a one-legged midget only tourney?
i railed one of these for awhile in vegas. lot of limping.
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Old 09-14-2009, 12:00 AM   #125
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If you're a woman and you don't like playing with men, tough luck.
I have never ever heard any women say this. I've heard lots say the opposite - me included. I'd rather play with men anytime.
I can read men better, I can manipulate their actions more, and I can get away with stuff that I can't get away with with women.
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Old 09-14-2009, 12:13 AM   #126
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i railed one of these for awhile in vegas. lot of limping.
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Old 09-14-2009, 12:16 AM   #127
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Re: Man wins "ladies" champion at Borgata

Also, I don't see women's tournaments as saying women are mentally inferior - but just as recognition that poker has been male dominated since it was invented. Women haven't been invited to the home games, or been taught by their daddys to play generally. Since the boom, a lot of women have gotten into it, but still a small number of the total field. It's a way to encourage participation and broaden the audience.

This man sounds like a moron - one of those whiny types who might complain about losing his "rights" or how it's not fair that the tournament exists. He probably went to someone and spouted off about how there's no "men's" tournament how come there's a women's. When they told him anyone could play, he probably felt obligated after running his mouth. Add to that the fact that he was rude at the table = he probably just got dumped.
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Old 09-14-2009, 12:18 AM   #128
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i railed one of these for awhile in vegas. lot of limping.
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Old 09-14-2009, 12:29 AM   #129
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I don't hate the Borgata. I've never even been there. I just think they made an incredibly retarded decision to not just tell the guy, "umm no. you aren't female so you can't play this event. Get lost."
This post is pretty retarded. There isn't much downside to them personally for letting the guy play, versus the potential millions in lawyer costs, damages and lost earnings due to reputational damage? LOL.

Most people in this thread seem to have a pretty poor understanding of how the US law works. If they rejected the guy and it went to Court, they wouldn't even get close to winning. It's blatant discrimination, and their only defense would be "Come onnnnn". :P
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Old 09-14-2009, 12:31 AM   #130
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Also, I don't see women's tournaments as saying women are mentally inferior - but just as recognition that poker has been male dominated since it was invented.
So what? If we're to view that women and men have no inherent differences that are relevant to one's chances of winning a poker tournament, then who cares how male dominated it's been? Show up, view everyone in the room as your equal and play the game.

Good on the guy imo.
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Old 09-14-2009, 12:40 AM   #131
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What about a black people only tourney?
What about an online grinder only live event? Must show OPR with greater than 2000 total tourney's played?
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Old 09-14-2009, 12:43 AM   #132
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Re: Man wins "ladies" champion at Borgata

Someone I was talking to this weekend while playing at the Borg (a regular I've seen there every time at 10/20 limit) said that unlike Vegas, the NJ casinos can't just randomly decide to refuse service to someone (I think it's called a privileged business). Like throwing out card counters in black jack, in Vegas they can just randomly throw them out, they CANNOT do so in NJ. He said the way they make up for it in NJ at the blackjack tables is having more shuffles and more decks, I guess.

This was in the middle of a conversation about vegas and card counters, and he seemed pretty positive. Therefore I imagine that's why they couldn't just refuse service to this guy, unlike in Vegas. Total douche move, especially for only 20k which isn't really that much for this guy.


For the lawyers in the group I find it interesting that if this were ever to go to court, would the Borgata argue that the tournament needs to be ladies only because it's an attempt to remedy past discrimination against an insular minority (ie Affirmative action). Also, a minor point for those talking about gender, race etc. Gender discrimination only gets "intermediate" scrutiny (ie its ok to do it sometimes, like the military), but race gets strict scrutiny.
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Old 09-14-2009, 12:47 AM   #133
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Re: Man wins "ladies" champion at Borgata

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There isn't much downside to them personally for letting the guy play

How can you say that? The women in the tournament were bothered that this happened. So this affected their enjoyment of the experience. And the casino is getting blasted and criticized. Negative publicity DOES count as a downside.

They had a mess of a situation here. Getting sued for millions is a risk that can happen at ANY time. That doesn't mean that you take it realistically. If a casino wants to throw me out then they throw me out. If I want to scream discrimination because I can't get reservations at their top restaurant they don't suddenly decide to boot somebody else and seat me because "OMG...he might actually sue!!"

The WSOP in LV has Ladies events too. What would happen if a guy tried to enter one of those events? He would get shown the door and told that he's a freaking idiot. And when he screams that he's going to sue then Harrah's would say, "that's nice. Looking forward to it. You're still a moron. Now get out."
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Old 09-14-2009, 12:47 AM   #134
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Re: Man wins "ladies" champion at Borgata

Not fair. Men have a bigger brain, like 3 times the size of a woman's brain. It's science.
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Old 09-14-2009, 12:50 AM   #135
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Re: Man wins "ladies" champion at Borgata

Dave D - You are 100% correct about the difference in card-counting and ejections in LV vs. AC. What your friend was telling you is pretty well known among all knowledgeable card counters.

Seems reasonable that this could be related to the situation with the poker tournament thing. But while it has some relation it's still not the same thing and I still think the Borgata would have been wise to NOT allow him to play.

Is the guy going to sue for the award that the Borgata gave to the woman? Should the Borgata give him the prize instead?
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