He specifically told me I can't use his name but you all know him. He knows a lot more details than I do about the case and last night he started to explain to me his theory. I was in a pretty big game and didn't really want to hear those details. But I was surprised that RH's guilt wasn't a foregone conclusion among high rollers. I personally don't know enough to have my own opinion.

This player then went on to say that the reason RH can't exonerate himself is because his explanations would cause him to admit stuff that two plus twoers don't care about, but that authorities might. I threw in the observation that no expert poker player would have allowed his cheating cohorts to make their knowledge of hole cards so obvious. Which would be a point in Russ's defense.

He also said that he believed that Russ was a convenient scapegoat for the present owners.

Like I said, I don't know enough about the case to know whether his take on this has any plausibility to it. But I do know that this guy isn't one to throw out wild theories for no reason. And I don't think he cares personally one way or the other.

I will have nothing more to say on this thread because of my lack of knowledge. The player I spoke to did not tell me what he did, expecting me to post it. He reluctantly gave me permission to write this without his name.

Was I wrong to assume that the members of this website have no real doubt about Russ's complicity?

I think you were wrong to assume you've shared anything of substance with us.

This is very interesting to hear. I always did think it was weird that, as you said, an expert player would let it be so obvious.

I don't understand the point of this thread at all.

LOL how could you not the link the original thread about what he is accused of. I have no idea wtf is going on.

We elected a new president last month. I don't have a link. Sorry.

lol - dozens of accounts each extracting maximum $$ in the shortest time possible then disappearing to be replaced by others, it wasn't necessary to hide.

I would assume that the fraudsters were completely ignorant about the amount of information being recorded on tracker databases and the ability of honest players to get together and analyse this, so they would have had no reason to believe that they would be noticed.

I've had situations where a target of an investigation was potentially innocent of what he was being accused but there were other aspects of his life or business that probably couldn't withstand close scrutiny (often taxes) -- which meant that his best strategic option was to remain silent. The guy I assume David was talking to is a smart guy, and the fact that he thinks there's a good chance Russ is innocent is something worth taking into consideration.

OTOH, in this scenario, if Russ knew what was going on and facilitated the operation even if he wasn't an actual superuser, he is just as guilty legally (and morally IMO). Also, the KGC has claimed Russ operated with 5 (I think) co-conspirators, so the fact that one of the superusers was an idiot in terms of poker doesn't exonerate Russ, since they're not claiming he acted alone.

The total lack of transparency in the process by the KGC and UB/AP, and the unlikelihood of a law enforcement investigation, means we'll probably never know.

lol, plz to be a level

How's it working out for you living under that rock?

Aight he's the UB guy, sorry I didn't know his real name I don't play UB and don't read about that on NVG.

Back on topic, "I didn't cheat but I can't prove why because I don't want to go to jail for tax evasion" is a pretty pitiful defense.

So true your defense is I cant tell you why because I may be convicted of being a bigger Felon.

Here come the fellow pro's in RH's defense. Seriously, I thought you guys would wait it out a little longer. Do ANY of the facts against RH mean anything to you at all?

So some big name pro has RH's back eh? Well To Be Honest sir and I say this with some respect. This statement you have made means nothing without a name behind it.
Im Out

It ain't cheating unless you get caught!!!! Poor Russ his problem was that he just got too greedy. And all you suckers well it's bad for the game and there shouldn't be cheating in poker, well news flash sucker, their has been cheating in poker since "poker" has been invented. What just b/c your in the "privicy of your own home" behind a computer you think no1 will cheat you and when they do you feel bad or something? Well you know what it happens and another scandle will happen and another, it can't be fixed im cheating right now on stars with my friends playin 1-2 PLO.

"A guy I know, that you know, told me a bunch of stuff I didn't listen to. And even if I did, I'd have to kill you if I told you. Either way I don't know anything about the biggest fraud in my business branch, but I know this guy, as do you. And that he doesn't care about the biggest fraud in his business branch either, so he gave me permission to make this post. Also: I'm sure he's not fooling around about this thing he doesn't care about. Just letting you guys know that Russ was too busy trading pounds of pure Columbian for jailbaiters to be cheating on UB."

Hilarious as usual, thanks Mr Sklansky.