Maybe they're overreacting, but it sounds like the Stars tournament in Panama was a disaster.

PS not doing so well in area of public relations lately.

More here:

https://www.highstakesdb.com/7716-pl...-outburst.aspx

Same story as the last few years , unless enough of the high stakes regs boycott to the point none of the "high roller" 25k+s run I doubt it will make any impact.

Negreanu will go on a twitter rant about how amaya is great and so and so event is the biggest he has ever seen , amaya will say absolutely nothing, life will go on as pros continue to go to pokerstars events , everyone will suffer from the continued degrading of stars.

big ups to those that do. It's a lot more than just the panama series, it's players standing up to stars for all the other bs they've pulled over the last 3 years.

Let's boycott Adelson while we're here or is missing 3 $400k guaranteed tournaments a year too much for the spineless?

5% tax at the cage, 500 a night fot a room with a shower/tub, uncapped cash game rake? Doesnt sound like an over reaction to me, sounds like more pokerstars bull****.

This just seems pointless, poker is such a miniscule portion of his business, but poker is the entire business of poker stars (for now).

I'm sure this will go splendidly well until they see an overlay which they can't pass up

LOL, another boycott? This will end like all the others, with no impact what so ever. When will you guys get the message? They dont give a f*** about you. This like a dude getting dumped by a hot girl and turning up at her house and sitting on the kerb while she's getting banged by her new guy. get over it.

will only work if almost all high rollers don't show up.

And then you go back for sloppy seconds before moaning that things aren't as great as they used to be.

Will never work

No other options for players

You vote with your wallet!

It's not even that different from the online environment. No real competition lets Amaya get away with almost everything.

Same goes for the WSOP that gets away with running the series the way they do, year after year.

1) Was this a motivational message? If so, thank you for that, players boycotting the events need to know there are people appreciating their sacrifice!
2) How the **** can you say all the others boycotts had no impact? Have you seen the alternate realities without any boycotts or what the ****???

In the previous boycotts, many pros signed the petitions not to play on a certain day/week, but still played anyway LOL!!! Like you say, these boycotts will never work.

Dnegs plays like two live Amaya events a year these days too lol.

Pretty ridiculous how unibet and the aussie millions can offer mutiple days of hole cards for their live events and Amaya only shows the hole cards for the final table, assuring that no casuals will ever watch the first 4 days of their broadcast with no cards.

"In 2015, poker accounted for 82.7 percent of total company revenue. It was 73.2 percent last year.

http://www.cardplayer.com/poker-news...e-down-in-2016

As poker is beginning to generate less and less of parent company's rev service levels should be expected to go down as the focus is slowly shifting away from poker.

idk ... the difference is pretty clear, you can't play WPT final AND the PSC macau at the same time. on the other hand, it's not really a boycott either, b/c WPT in florida has a good schedule (incl. high rollers), so many pros would have played there anyway.

tl;dr: LOL facebook rant & boycottaments

Vicky Coren was right to get out when she did. That's somebody with real integrity.

I am not actively boycotting their events (I am a ~$500 to $2000 non NLHE side events recreational but taking it seriously player), but the field sizes have been shockingly small recently for the kind of side events I play and have therefore become very unattractive for me.

They used do be around fields of 60 to 120 players which was not amazing but okay and attractive enough to play, but now they are 25 to 50 players a lot of the time.

So why would I take time off work and pay travel expenses, or even just time off work for comps that are within my own local area, to play 30 people and have to finish about 4th just to double/triple my money, and even if winning be winning quite a hollow trophy being such a small field.

Fwiw, I think even before Amaya, the previous owners were very complacent and slightly ignorant regarding non NLHE tournaments at EPTs, very rarely if ever running on line sats for them to increase field sizes, and only occasionally running live sats but just for the biggest buy in PLO for example and not for many or any other non NLHE comps.

Most of the poker industry is a bit backward IMO and some companies are very complacent and in NLHE which is obviously the most popular game Pokerstars are taking players for granted now and seemingly cannot understand that for players to negate the cost of travel costs and juice etc with their perceived playing edge/ROI, that players need a lot of leverage on their buy ins, as do potential investors and backers of players who will not punt on them unless there is a potential big multiple return on their investment.

For recreationals it will also become progressively less attractive if field sizes are small.

Also a nonsense IMO to have events in Chile, Panama and New Jersey when you can pick locations that are far more popular in a general sense for tourism which would mean both professionals and recreational players alike are more likely to play. Chile is like at the South Pole isn't it? Panama Lol, and New Jersey I'm sure is a very nice state but an odd choice and presumably was because of it opening up to on line poker again, but still a poor choice for a big live festival at this stage.

"If it ain't broke don't fix it", is a phrase that springs to mind regarding a lot of Amaya's decisions.

First of all, you're welcome.

Secondly, I don't appreciate the sacrifice. I think what they are suggesting is a poor use of the word sacrifice and insulting to people who have actually made a sacrifice for someone else. So some spotty teenager isn't going to get up around midday and play poker in his underpants whilst eating cheetos, and I am to be thankful? LOL.

Thirdly, the other "boycotts" (and I use the term very very loosely) have clearly had no impact. The machine is still printing money for Amaya, the cuts keep happening and yet the games keep on being played.

So good luck to you, with your boycott. Hope all these ex rake back pros have other life skills when the well finally runs dry.

Is that something like alternative facts?
You might be the first person to say "I want to watch day 1 of random event XYZ but won't because they don't show hole cards".

The number of casual players to watch anything other than maybe final 3 tables for everything other than the WSOP ME is very small. I wouldn't be surprised if Amaya soon stopped showing anything other than final tables.

They aren't at all differentiated from any other non-poker provider and merely get action due to poker players having funds on deposit. If their poker action continues to decline the non-poker action will also. Hopefully the folly of degrading their poker product will then become apparent.

We all just know PS will rofl at boycott threats from winning players.
So we have no idea if this "live tourney pro" boycott thing won't have a chance.

Do you mean that argument is invalid? How can you quantify something like effect of an boycott? What is the metric? Obviously, thinking it will have a huge instant impact on how a huge monopoly corporation acts would be kinda foolish, but is that the only reason for a boycott really?

I mean right now, part of the community kind of prays for the new Galfond site and it seems like one of the reason he's making this huge investment is the anger of players - it's a great indicator that the market doesn't necessarily have to shrink if things are done differently.

I think it's similar to street protests. Politicians do not resign because people are angry, they do it because of the pressure protests create, the support the competition gets.