Lee Watkinson's rescued chimp shot dead - Page 9 - Poker News

uDrewAtThat? · 07-14-2012, 10:12 AM

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Originally Posted by SrslySirius

Cool. Here are some isolated incidents of students going into crippling debt via online poker, reported by a reputable newspaper. It's a reliable source, so despite the small sample size, I think it's logical to say that this activity is very harmful to society and must be stopped.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/education/...e-student-debt

LOL

I can't stop laughing at this... You're right... Let the wild animals roam the streets, because the sample size of the behavior studies showing they're aggressive isn't large enough... Good thinking!

And great find with the cat article too...

You know, I can throw one of those (cat) across the room, or out the window even, but a chimp is a different story...

It's alright though, let them roam, because we don't have a large enough sample size of aggression to determine if we need to protect people in a city who are basically defenseless against them or not yet... If they hurt someone, we'll have some more data, so let's just let 'em roam and let's find out... In fact, maybe we should release a few so we have more data next time!!!

SrslySirius · 07-14-2012, 10:20 AM

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Originally Posted by uDrewAtThat?

LOL

I can't stop laughing at this... You're right... Let the wild animals roam the streets, because the sample size of the behavior studies showing they're aggressive isn't large enough... Good thinking!

My main point was that you can cherry pick examples of just about anything to try to prove a point, even if its clearly not the norm.

So yes, it's not hard to find examples of bonobos behaving violently. I'm sure you could find similar examples of housecats and babies and nuns doing that as well. But for the most part, bonobos are harmless creatures. This is well documented. Go do some objective research on the subject.

If the escaped chimps were bonobos, then I don't believe it was at all necessary to kill them. If they were common chimpanzees, then I'm fine with it.

uDrewAtThat? · 07-14-2012, 10:26 AM

Alright, I get your point a bit better now, but I still laughed my ass off about it for a few minutes, because I think it's probably better to be safe than sorry in this situation, especially when most people couldn't stop them from doing harm if they wanted to...

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To me it's really just plain sad if these people wanted to protect the animals they didn't donate them to a zoo or habitat where they would be WAY better off.

SrslySirius · 07-14-2012, 10:34 AM

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Originally Posted by uDrewAtThat?

Alright, I get your point a bit better now, but I still laughed my ass off about it for a few minutes, because I think it's probably better to be safe than sorry in this situation, especially when most people couldn't stop them from doing harm if they wanted to...

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To me it's really just plain sad if these people wanted to protect the animals they didn't donate them to a zoo or habitat where they would be WAY better off.

If the animals present a threat, I agree. That's why I initially asked if anyone knew what kind of chimpanzees these were. The 2nd chimp was apparently tranquilized without any issues.

I may be a bit biased when it comes to police using lethal force, because I'm always skeptical of their motives, especially with animals. Cops seem to love shooting them for no reason, except maybe for sport.

I would love to see some data on the survival rate of animals in homes that police raid. Standard procedure seems to be insta-shoot the dog if one is spotted. I've seriously seen this happen dozens of times, but never hear of any making it out alive.

uDrewAtThat? · 07-14-2012, 10:43 AM

Good points...

And I understand where you're coming from, but with wild animals, I guess I think, "That's someone's Mom or kid and this isn't 'the old west' where everyone has a gun, so if something 'goes wrong' at least they can shoot it themselves." and I Know if my Mom (or grandma or another relative or friend or probably anyone really) got hurt because no one took the shot when they had it, I'd be going Ape S***!
(Pun definitely intended lol)

Really interesting point about the dogs.

epcfast · 07-14-2012, 11:07 AM

Guns don't kill chimps - rappers do.
Ask any politician and they'll tell you it's true.

BAIDS · 07-14-2012, 11:18 AM

fwiw i dont believe that being able to differentiate between bonobos and regular chimps is necessary to join the las vegas police dept

SrslySirius · 07-14-2012, 11:29 AM

Of course, I would never expect LVPD to know the difference, nor should they. It's just unfortunate if they were in fact bonobos.

SuperSwag · 07-14-2012, 11:38 AM

Cops like to shoot first, ask questions later. A bunch of zoo animals escaped near me and the cops just shot all of them even the giraffes.

OJsBludyNife · 07-14-2012, 11:41 AM

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Originally Posted by PardoG

we had a chimp incident in stamford, CT that made some national news. Woman's face got torn off by the thing. Why do people still insist on trying to keep animals like these as pets? I just will never understand it.

Dont you have a Dunder Mifflin branch out there?

3fiveofdiamonds · 07-14-2012, 12:08 PM

According to this article, Watkinson and DeRosa weren't even the "owners"* of the chimps. They basically funded and housed the chimps for years because the lady that owned the chimps didn't have the resources, know how, or will to.
The owner of the chimps visited about twice a year in recent times.

Basically it would be like adopting children but the biological parents who offer no support still having a legal rights to the kids.

http://www.lvrj.com/news/slaying-of-...162453406.html

*eventually they got signed on as co-owners

**NoahSD** · 07-14-2012, 12:26 PM

They weren't bonobos ffs.

SrslySirius · 07-14-2012, 12:28 PM

Then who was phone?

KansasCT · 07-14-2012, 01:07 PM

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Originally Posted by EYESCREW

Those mad at America because the chimp got shot or mad at the cop that shot the chimp should redirect your anger towards Lee and Timmi. They were trying to help the chimps but they knew full well if those chimps ever escaped they'd be shot on the spot so the death of the chimp is 100% on them.

Chimps look cute and cuddly but make no mistake about it Chimps are very DANGEROUS animals and if running loose through the city streets the police/animal control have no choice but to shoot to kill. Very sad obviously but there's no reasonable alternative.

tranquilizer.

White Magic · 07-14-2012, 01:32 PM

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Peacefulness
Observations in the wild indicate that the males among the related common chimpanzee communities are extraordinarily hostile to males from outside the community. Parties of males 'patrol' for the unfortunate neighbouring males that might be travelling alone, and attack those single males, often killing them.[45] This does not appear to be the behaviour of bonobo males or females in their own communities, where they seem to prefer sexual contact over violent confrontation with outsiders. In fact, the Japanese scientists who have spent the most time working with wild bonobos describe the species as extraordinarily peaceful, and De Waal has documented how bonobos may often resolve conflicts with sexual contact (hence the "make love – not war" characterization for the species). Between groups, social mingling may occur, in which members of different communities have sex and groom each other, behaviour which is unheard of among common chimpanzees. Conflict is still possible between rival groups of bonobos, but no official scientific reports of it exist. The ranges of bonobos and chimpanzees are separated by the Congo River, with bonobos living to the south of it, and chimpanzees to the north.[46][47] It has been hypothesised that bonobos are able to live a more peaceful lifestyle in part because of an abundance of nutritious vegetation in their natural habitat, allowing them to travel and forage in large parties.[48]
The popular image of the bonobo as a peaceful ape does not always apply to captive populations. Accounts exist of bonobos confined in zoos mutilating one another and engaging in bullying. These incidents may be due to the practice in zoos of separating mothers and sons, which is contrary to their social organization in the wild. Bonobo society is dominated by females, and severing the lifelong alliance between mothers and their male offspring may make them vulnerable to female aggression. De Waal has warned of the danger of romanticizing bonobos: "All animals are competitive by nature and cooperative only under specific circumstances" and that "when first writing about their behaviour, I spoke of 'sex for peace' precisely because bonobos had plenty of conflicts. There would obviously be no need for peacemaking if they lived in perfect harmony." There are no eyewitness accounts of lethal aggression among bonobos, neither in captivity nor in the wild.
Hohmann and Surbeck published in 2008 that bonobos sometimes do hunt monkey species. Five incidents were observed in a group of bonobos in Salonga National Park, which seemed to reflect deliberate cooperative hunting. On three occasions, the hunt was successful and infant monkeys were captured.

Wikipedia seems to suggest that there is a difference between bonobo behaviour in the wild and in captivity. As Wikipedia is an infallible reference this should clear up the pointless argument, above.