seriously of course it's a social issue ... and that's why there's a feminist movement

and when i read nonsense like

i'm pretty sure, that you have zero clue, what you're talking about.

that you used this reference, it's especially funny, because the whole "romantic knight" stuff is just another sexist BS. women don't need help in general, but why can't men speak about issues like feminism? feminism is about gender equality.

i know, now the average guy thinks he's clever and asks: "if they want equality, why they want a special event". i know you said, you don't care about this events, but i advice you to read danielles post(s) again ... women are often treated as sex objects, w/o any respect or common sense. so offering a ladies event is a nice and improtant way, to get new players into poker.


that you think poker don't "spawn" more sexist behavior, than other "workplaces" is hilarious .... i won't go into detail, why internet chat and forums are (one of) the worst places in terms of sexism, but it's imo pretty obvious, that almost no one thinks, that a poker table is a "workplace"

most ppl play for fun and even the pros are casual. the problem are not the "misogynists". the problem is, that most of the men are only interested in women, when they are attractive and w/o boyfriend (so basically when there's sex to get).

There is one reason: $$$

I hope stars and other sites give even more perks to woman players, if only for the amount of butthurt it's generating. I'd be happy for stars to give new female players their first $100 free with the creation of an account. It'd undoubtedly get some new players, and as a bonus bjsmith would probably have a meltdown.

The 20th century saw the passage of the Equal Rights Amendment. The great social justice fight of the 21st century will be getting rid of ladies only events.

You mounted your high horse backwards.

Based on the posts in this thread, I'm just shocked that women wouldn't want to sit at the table and play poker with you guys.

Ladies events aren't about giving women softer fields, they're about allowing women to segregate themselves from the raging *******s they'd be stuck playing with otherwise.

Hilarious post with actual absurdity.

Women don't play poker not because they get harassed (which happens rarely). Women don't play poker because it's not something that the majority of them enjoy playing.

dgirl posted that she got threatened with rape in her online twitch stream. Boo freaking hoo. Have you read the twitch chat in other streams? They are ****ing animals. Especially so if you're a woman. Suck it up and get used to it. Twitch streams, for the most part, are misogynistic, homophobic, and racist. If I had a dollar for every time I've been verbally assaulted in chats / gaming, I would be a very rich MAN. Online chats are not playgrounds. A 12 year old playing Call of Duty will spew the most hateful vile **** ever. It's part of the game. Stop trying to G rate life.

Now, women getting harassed in real life poker games is a serious issue. However, it should be no different than if a man got harassed. The only problem is, the women gets special attention. Dear women poker players, you're not the only gender getting harassed and assaulted in poker. It works both ways. If you are being harassed, go to the floor and they should deal with it. If they don't, go to someone higher up (and/or contact security). If they don't do anything, LEAVE ASAP, because that is not a safe place to play because they do not care about the customer's well-being.

are you serious or just delusional?

"From what i've seen from the younger generation of women that play live casino poker is that they are what i like to call seekers....which is a slang or shortened version of attention seekers. They like the attention of the male sex, and do not get as much attention in more varied locations, bars and night clubs etc"

So if a woman is strong-willed enough to play despite all of the negatives discussed in this thread, it must just be to get your attention.

Get over yourself.

I haven't been on 2+2 in ages because 2 or 3 posters with no lives will spam a thread for hours from their mothers' basements making sure that any intelligent discussion is derailed.

Misogyny in poker is real whether you personally deal with it or not. Some men and women who haven't experienced it understand that his/her one life sample size isn't everyone's universal experience. I believe that other races have a harder time than I will ever understand because I'm white - but I don't deny their experiences are real just because I don't personally see every injustice firsthand.

As a white male i am discriminated against more than anyone else.

Grunching from the 4th page on but the problem is that she is ignorant of the world beyond the country she is from.
International Women's Day is like mother's day and valentines day rolled into one for people such Russians and Ukranians and the date is moved so that (primarily male) players from those countries can play.

BTW I tend to think it doesn't matter if it is mother's day or IWD because in any case it runs through the night in all these European countries.

Yeah, because us Europeans never play tournaments after 10pm.

TIL when mothers day in the UK is

Agree with Katie, Ansky et al

Mothers day in the UK consists of Sunday lunch out for most UK people.
Sunday Million starts at 7.30pm.
Not a problem.

Statements like this is so hilarious it's not even funny. First of all let's be cereal here, poker players in general are very selfish individuals atleast regarding the softness of the fields they play. You really think that if the ladies events were filled with tough regs that all these females in here would be trying to get these sites to promote more of them for altruistic reasons?, oh plz give me a break. Secondly majority of women i've met throughout my life gravitate towards having alot of male friends & not as much female ones due to the "cattyness" & drama that female on female interactions brings, so this whole notion that women in the poker world in general would rather enjoy female only tournaments is such a farce. It's all a cover up cause the female pros want the soft fields and nothing more.

p.s every single argument for ladies events from the white knights ITT has been for live mtts, nothing to do with online, stick to the topic white knights and make solid arguments for female only online events, oh that's right there aren't any.

Playing live poker can be uncomfortable. May be worse for women, but there are just some awful people in casinos period.

If there were an event where hostility weren't allowed I'd play that.

To clarify I mean that Pokerstars AFAIK are not claiming to have moved this due to women's rights.

Yeah Pete, I mean there isn't a real clash even if the date is the same.

When I first started playing poker ( online, I've yet to play live ).. I felt like everything I did wrong, or right for that matter, someone would be wishing me or my family dead ( which the Pokerstars chat mods do NOTHING about fwiw, seems as long as nobody is evading a censor, nobody cares. ), telling me to go **** myself.. And I did find more comfort in Women's games where from my experience it was a much less frequent thing.

It was a much more social and pleasant experience, if one of us started talking most of the time the entire table would and it wouldn't at all be negative.

I did start playing more non women's games and am now grinding semi professionally but those games did help me gain confidence to get back in there.

After I had a miscarriage, I stopped playing regular games as often after the first person telling me he wishes my family would die.. I got back to playing more womens games and while I still got similar threats they were much less prevalent.

While I have personally seen how people who are "openly female" on Pokerstars get treated and it is worse, my name on Pokerstars doesn't imply I'm female.

I didn't have to put up with things a man in my situation wouldn't have to.. So I'm not saying it's fair that I had those games to run off to when things got too much.
It is unfair that men that feel similarly about the attitude people have online don't get to have games where things are better.. I'm not argueing that.
But I'm still playing now, and I might not have been if we didn't have these games, so you can't argue it isn't good marketing. While it is arguably unfair to men, it doesn't actually affect them negatively either, it only has positives.

And I'm glad atleast the poor women who made the mistake of having a feminine pokerstars sn do have this feature.

Sorry for poor grammar and just general structuring of this post, and I know I'm not making a good case for online ladies events if I'm saying they're inherently unfair, but I still think they're a good thing.

Poker is a social event for a lot of us, even online.

Good post. So far the only reason given for having specifically online women-only events that I can see is 'because women use the chat box more', from Katie D. The less said about this point the better.

If I were a woman I would be hoping for more specifically online female events too, but it wouldn't be under the vocal pretence of 'getting more women into the game and let's all have fun and chat in the box together and maybe even another poker boom will come (lol)'. It would be because I want softer events.

Katie D presumably plays poker seriously and she should have just come right out and said this because she isn't fooling anyone.

And if someone comes back with the argument that online and live are intertwined to the point that starting with marketing to women online can help women feel more comfortable in male-dominated live games then lol, no.

lol, good job. I bet you feel proud of yourself after this whopper of a post. Why people feel the need to put words in my mouth and lie about things they said when there is a written record of the conversation goes beyond me.

I doubt it. It's more likely because Russians apparently take this day very seriously, which would affect the field size.

Here we go, BJ just woke up.

There is no doubt issues with how men treat women.

The thing is, the problems women express wrt poker aren't really poker problems; they are societal problems. A man who sexually harrasses at a poker table is the same man who would sexually harass at a bar or at the mall.

Sexism is a large societal problem that isn't fixed by treating men or women differently. Women's specific events and promotions don't help fix the problem, they just push the problem out of view for a short moment.

Please don't misquote me and act like I have said those exact things.

What I did say was:

My much bigger point was that ladies tournaments (both online and live tournaments) help to grow the game.

I'm not sure why you think I am trying to fool anyone, especially when I said:


Does it personally benefit me if PokerStars decides to run more ladies tournaments? Of course, but as an example, I played around 270 tournaments this past Sunday, and only one of those was a ladies event.

What I am focused on is the long-term, which means bringing more people into the game-- and I think that PokerStars, and specifically PokerStars Women really has the ability to do this. I'm sorry if you think that my idea that women playing poker will be the next poker boom is laughable, but to me it is something I hope for and try to advance every day.

hotjenny314

eyeroll at nicknames like these.

Or, you know, to build community so those women will be more likely to want to attend pokerstars live events, meet each other in person, and become stickier customers. Just like all the MTTc guys who became good friends and travel/play together after "meeting" online.

It's called customer engagement.