After numerous emails to the Kahnawake Gaming Commission regarding the unfinished business about the UltimateBet Scandal I have finally received a response

Take a look at the old KGC press releases and it would appear that they have already reviewed all the information.

9-29-08 Press Release
11-5-08 Press Release
12-1-08 Press Release
The KGC had found clear and convincing evidence in September and were able to say as a result of their findings that......So it would appear they are done investigating the matter.

Then In November the KGC says it will wait a short period of time to make a decision. Remind you it is now almost 8 months later, certainly not a "short period of time." The KGC also state they are waiting to confirm player refunds are issued to make a statement, but in December 2008 they confirm that refunds were complete.


They can name the main cheater, they can confirm refunds were issued shortly after the were disbursed, but have to wait about 7 months to issue a final decison?

Please. This whole thing stinks and can we really believe anything that they say in this final report? Although this case is different that the AP case. both parties finished up around the same time. Even so, why hasn't UB said anything? UB said a statement was coming soon and that the superuser list would be released, In November. All emails to UltimateBet still have yet to receive a response on this matter.

Bunch of criminals.

These very smart guys are Organized Crime...
And they have graduated from...
Running guns/pot/cigarettes across the US border...
To running state-of-the-art data centers...
In order to own and front a bunch of online casinos.
And only God knows what else.

http://www.google.ca/search?hl=en&sa...G=Search&meta=

I agree that the Gaming Commission does very little in the way of actual regulation and investigation of the Online sites they license. The only care about the money the sites pay to have a license and other fees they collect.

Looking through the KGC application process I found this section on Suspending or Revoking a License. Think any of this should have applied to UB or AP?

pg 27 of 72 here: Kahnawake Regulations Concerning Interactive Gaming Web Archive

Both should have licenses revoked and fines should be imposed, this is fraud

UltimateBet paid a fine of $1.5 million to the KGC. The KGC then used that money to help the Mohawk people. The fine to Joe Norton almost looks like a donation to help his community, something that he may have done anyway.

So this "fine" to UltimateBet is just a reason for Joe Norton to give back to the Mohawk people, b/c It surely isn't going to be used to increase Fraud Detection at the KGC, or hire more investigators. What exactly the $500K for KGC development is, well who know, maybe they are using it to increase security and investigations. Here is what the "fine" was used for:

Mohawk Press Release

http://www.google.ca/search?hl=en&sa...G=Search&meta=

VERY DISTURBING!

Cornell Fiji has covered this is his retraction post found in the UB Sticky, or here: Cornell Fiji's Post About Joe Norton, Mohawks, and Crime in Kahnawake

It is no surprise that the KGC has said nothing in the past 7 months. They were most likely hoping this would go away so the "final report" wouldn't have to be issued. I wonder how long it will take before it is released, it should have been done by now one would think judging by the previous press releases.

I wonder if they are 1. Going to release all the cheaters names 2. Release all HH's 3. List the 88 superuser accounts. 4. Strip UB and AP of their licenses.

My guess right now is no to all, but one can hope justice gets served.

This is the email they just sent right? This final decision, how would it differ from the other statements that UltimateBet or The KGC already made. Don't get me wrong, it is good they responded, but what can you really expect? UB and AP are now Cereus and have seemingly stopped addressing the scandal. They were fined and paid the fine.
What more will come from this final decision except another story that most do not believe?

Here's one angle that's always bothered me. (among the many I guess).
In the midst of the active investigation- the "regulatory body" known as the KGC decides to "allow" Cereus to happen.

How does a shared relaunched platform between two sites- one with a current investigation ongoing that both the site and the regulatory body dragged their heels on, and the other a site that also had a glaring security problem- how does that happen while things are unresolved?

No organization that hoped people would take them seriously would say "oh yeah good time for that change in the software. Let's change all that over on the servers."

It may be the most blatant evidence that the KGC regulates nothing and is just a stamp that has to answer to nobody - again among the many pieces of evidence that suggest that.

If the KGC was serious, they would have put out something along these lines in the last 6 or 7 months: July 23 KGC Press Release
If they make another press release of course it is all going to be BS. This "lengthy Investigation" has been going on forever and it surely cannot be that complicated given what has been released so far. More examples of why I call shenanigans on the KGC and their "review of information"

Almost a year later after being closely involved and still reviewing data?

Next several days a decision will be issued? Several must have meant about 10 months later, but still nothing.

Really? The KGC wanted to make sure players were fully reimbursed, then later say that this objective was accomplished? In July!!! NO WAY, refunds were not complete until November. What the heck were they looking at that told them everyone was reimbursed? Lies, Lies, and More lies

Whatever is in this "final decision" surely will not be the truth. I just hope that it contains 88 superusernames, the people involved, and stripping of the license of UB and AP. I will not keep my anticipation too high.

Apefish,

You are so right. Originally the Launch was going to take place in July. Then it got pushed back until November. Now the KGC says it is still not done with the investigation to issue a final decision. Yet during that time the switch occurred. As I have proposed before, both UB and the KGC tried to end this investigation multiple times, only to change their stories, As evidence by my previous post. The KGC is nothing but a rubber stamp and have deceived many into thinking they actually monitor and investigate its licensees.

Yes, Yes and +1.

Of the many ironies in this whole nasty affair, is that the KGC while collecting fees and pretending to regulate, then gets to assess a $2,000,000 fine and line their pockets even further.

Shouldn't that money have gone to benefit the players who were cheated? To me, that is as gross as anything else.

With so many other poker sites to choose from, I am baffled as to why any players continue to support AP/UB and thus the KGC, especially while they seem to both be unwilling to take responsibility for this mess and take the obvious steps to come clean.

yep

what authority does the KGC have to regulate internet gaming? is it a canadian thing?

The whole idea of licensing sounds bogus to me, but maybe someone here can explain it.