Jungleman offering 2012 WSOP ME seat for "good deeds" - Page 3 - Poker News

luckofficial · 05-22-2012, 01:39 PM

more hs plrs should learn from what that aeswome boy n fantastic plr does at the pokercommunity and try to come up with even better challenges

daniel cates you rock man
god bless you

bandonlooper1 · 05-22-2012, 01:47 PM

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Originally Posted by d0nk3y

He should pay back the players he cheated and then give himself the seat.

decent plan

Riina · 05-22-2012, 02:02 PM

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Originally Posted by John Wray

While I totally understand your reaction, I think you're being a little overly-cynical. Many many good deeds are rewarded in one way or another, and it encourages people to continue (or start) performing them. People are rewarded with money (tax breaks for charitable donations), recognition (key to the city and a parade), sex (hot girl will think you're awesome if you save a cat from a burning building), happy feelings (seratonin release in the brain), quid pro quo good deeds ("you paid for lunch last time, I got this one, buddy."), friendship & an increased sense of community, and plenty more. It's these incentives that drive our desire to perform good deeds, even if we don't consciously realize why we're doing it.

Sorry John, i always like you, but i actually think you are the one with a very cynical analysis of a good deed.

I actually lied before, i think i do my share of good deeds in life, and i dare to swear it's never for any of the reasons you mention above. I also don't believe in karma, so i feel my only gain is another person being helped. There is a sense of satisfaction but this is always a secondary result, never an aim in itself.

striiing · 05-22-2012, 02:11 PM

he sure makes things seem fun

JohnnyPanic · 05-22-2012, 03:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Riina

Sorry John, i always like you, but i actually think you are the one with a very cynical analysis of a good deed.

I actually lied before, i think i do my share of good deeds in life, and i dare to swear it's never for any of the reasons you mention above. I also don't believe in karma, so i feel my only gain is another person being helped. There is a sense of satisfaction but this is always a secondary result, never an aim in itself.

confirmed jesus

Keruli · 05-22-2012, 05:20 PM

so he wants to be seen as 'good'. but he's too lazy to do something 'good', so he just pays someone to do it. so that must be double-good or something.

Foxxy Woods · 05-22-2012, 05:23 PM

you should do good things and help others because you should...not to win anything...this contest is so BS i wouldnt even enter it if a main event free roll was on the line

SMUTTTT · 05-22-2012, 05:34 PM

The fact that it is a deed made in the past rather than one made solely or partially with the intention to join this competition makes Mikes point (that normally wouldnt be IMO) invalid in this case. Noone knew at the time of the deed that this kind of oppurtunity would pop up so go ahead w your stories IMO.

robhimself · 05-22-2012, 05:34 PM

When 12th century philosopher Maimonides wrote his list of the 8 levels of charitable giving, it appears that he completely forgot "when donations are given in order to try to win a $10k main event seat from a guy trying to repair his image in the poker community after a huge scandal." Where would you say it goes?

8. When donations are given grudgingly.

7. When one gives less than he should, but does so cheerfully.

6. When one gives directly to the poor upon being asked.

5. When one gives directly to the poor without being asked.

4. When the recipient is aware of the donor's identity, but the donor does not know the identity of the recipient.

3. When the donor is aware of the recipient's identity, but the recipient is unaware of the source.

2. When the donor and recipient are unknown to each other.

1. The highest form of charity is to help sustain a person before they become impoverished by offering a substantial gift in a dignified manner, or by extending a suitable loan, or by helping them find employment or establish themselves in business so as to make it unnecessary for them to become dependent on others.

SMUTTTT · 05-22-2012, 05:36 PM

Also, some things that John Wray mentioned that supposedly motivates you to help people, are only true if your brain already works in a way that makes helping out feeling good, serotonin dont come from nothing. All in all a sound idea by jungleman IMO

starvingwriter82 · 05-22-2012, 05:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Mike Johnson

Doesn't the 'reward' and the 'filming for Youtube' sort of drain the sincerity from a good deed. Certainly the recipient of said deed will still benefit, but when the whole purpose for the good deed existing in the first place is a) potential financial gain for the deed performer b) self-promotion for the award giver(Jungleman) it seems a little off.

I never thought good samaritans plotted, strategized and filmed being good samaritan's, they just were. In fact, doesn't a 'good deed' by definition require sacrifice, not personal gain?

I'm probably wrong here but first thing that popped into my head.

Good deeds done to enter this promotion will be self-serving, but that doesn't make it a bad thing as a result. If some degen volunteers at a soup kitchen or cleans up a neighborhood park, that's a great thing for the neighborhood and the degen, regardless of motivation.

If I thought giving away a 10K ME ticket would get everyone on 2+2 to go be awesome to the world around them for a week, I'd buy one and give it away too, and I can't even justify buying one for myself.

adamsj · 05-22-2012, 05:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Mike Johnson

Doesn't the 'reward' and the 'filming for Youtube' sort of drain the sincerity from a good deed. Certainly the recipient of said deed will still benefit, but when the whole purpose for the good deed existing in the first place is a) potential financial gain for the deed performer b) self-promotion for the award giver(Jungleman) it seems a little off.

I never thought good samaritans plotted, strategized and filmed being good samaritan's, they just were. In fact, doesn't a 'good deed' by definition require sacrifice, not personal gain?

I'm probably wrong here but first thing that popped into my head.

No need to be a prissy bitch because a 22 y/o has 10k to give away and you don't.

**SGT RJ** · 05-22-2012, 05:46 PM

I think a lot of people are assuming that a bunch of clowns trying to "cheat" and win a seat are going to rush out and film themselves helping old ladies cross the street or something.

A lot of people do routine volunteer or charity work because they like doing so. I've been helping my organization for a couple of years now, and I'm not going to stop doing do if I'm not selected for the seat.

But even if some players rush out and do good deeds they might not otherwise have done, I fail to see how this could possibly be a bad thing.

SMUTTTT · 05-22-2012, 05:51 PM

SGT RJ did actual cheating just fall out of the equation though?

**SGT RJ** · 05-22-2012, 05:57 PM

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Originally Posted by SMUTTTT

SGT RJ did actual cheating just fall out of the equation though?

Well I mean if someone were to actually cheat (pretend to do good deeds strictly for this contest) they would be pretty awful people, IMO.

My point was more that people seem to be saying that if player A went out and did a legit good deed and taped it purely for the purpose of this contest (say, helped build a house for someone whose home was destroyed by a hurricane) that because that good deed was tainted by some other motivation it's not still a good deed.

A good deed is a good deed, and most people get some sort of reward (even if that reward is just a warm fuzzy feeling) for doing good deeds anyway. Having the chance to win a WSOP ME seat is only different in degree, not principle.

IMO.