That would be the cover photo for I Married Wyatt Earp by Boyer.

HERE IS WHAT DOC T INSISTS ON SAYING FOR DAYS. IT IS A LIE. A LIE.
I wasn't really disputing that they knew each other in 1951. What I was commenting on was Johnny's assertion that Binion being at Greek's funeral in 1966 was proof that they knew each other in 1951. It's not proof. Just because I know someone today doesn't prove that I knew them fifteen years ago.
.................................................. ......................I never said that. I did say a whole lot of stories, photographs, Benny's oral history, Moss' biography, Jack Binion's statements, the histories put out by the Horsehoe Casino all put together prove Binion, Moss, and the Greek knew each other in 1949. You do not need to prove it to anyone but Doc T. Every smart person knows it. Michael Craig wrote that Benny was not mentioned in the eulogy to the Greek at his funeral. The eulogy by Hank Greenspun was published in Cy Rice's biography and the newspaper. Benny was the only one there mentioned. He was a pall bearer. He was on the front row. His sons were honorary pall bearers, and it has nothing to do with 1949 to anyone but Doc T. I did not mention that for Doc T., but to dispute Michael Craig.

The recent Card Player writer on Nick the Greek has not read Rice's biography like Jim McManus and Michael Craig. He even ended saying Frank Sinatra cried at the Greek's funersl The celebrities there were listed, many politicans, Ed Sullivan, two FBI agents, but no Frank Sinatra. I ONLY CITED THE FUNERAL TO PROVE THAT MC MANUS AND CRAIG WERE WRONG ABOUT THE FUNERAL NOT TO PROVE A DAMN THING TO DOC T. EVERYONE ELSE ALREADY KNEW THAT BENNY AND THE GREEK KNEW EACH OTHER AND IT WAS NOT AN ISSUE TO ANYONE BUT DOC T.

Post hoc ergo propter hoc, i agree

this all sounds like a big misunderstanding gone wrong...I'm out....

[QUOTE=jefkve;35212901]Post hoc ergo propter hoc, i agree

Boy, I hope Google can translate Latin.

[QUOTE=Doc T River;35212947] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Post_hoc_ergo_propter_hoc

Re-visiting a moral comparison of these fellows, I like Bat the best. Both Wyatt and Doc killed a man who was shooting into a bar, after the danger was gone. They decided to kill them.

Bat said that Ben Thompson, an Englishman, and the deadliest gunfighter in the Old West, never murdered any one, killing in self-defense. He won fourteen gunfights, eleven in Texas. He was killed by ambush in a theater in San Antonio.

Bat killed one man in self-defense after he had been shot. He never killed another. Ben Thompson saved his life from a barroom full of soldiers.

In Creede, Colorado, a drunk went up to Bat in his gambling house, and slugged him in the face. The joint got silent. Bat laughed it off and sent the drunk home. Another time, he let a preacher give a sermon and lead a hymn. He stopped the gambling. The preacher raised $700. He raised the money for a dying veteran to get back east.

Wyatt and his brothers were bullies, pistol whipping when they did not need to. Wyatt was a very tough fist fighter. Having a gang of brothers had to do with the bully part. Their adversaries, the McLaurey brothers were 5'5" tall and 5'3" tall. The Earps were all over six feet tall. Why pistol whip these guys? Giving up your guns to the Earps might mean more pistol whipping.

Wyatt was hated by the women folk, Big Nose Kate, Doc's squeeze, hated him because of his leadership and influence on Doc. His sisters in law hated him because Morgan ended up dead, Virgil crippled, all them broke and leaving Tombstone. Wyatt's companion of a few years was Mattie Blaylock, whom he picked up in Fort Worth on a gambling trip through Texas where he met Doc and Lottie Deno. He probably already knew Kate as she had been arrested for a little light whoring with his sister in law. After Wyatt left Mattie for Josephine Earp, Mattie wrote letters saying he had ruined her life. She committed suicide. Wyatt's younger brother Warren was killed in a gunfight. Doc and Luke died early. Wyatt and Bat went on to national fame and success in varied endeavors, but they remained gamblers. Bat was a big authority on boxing as a writer, corner man, manager, everything. He'd bet big on his man, and sometimes lose.

One thing Wyatt and Bat had in common was they both carried a gun into a boxing ring with a big crowd there. Wyatt was selected to referee an important heavy weight fight: Starkey and Fitzsimmons in San Francisco. As he entered the ring and removed his coat, he had a big six gun he had forgotten in his back pocket. Ten thousand roared with laughter. A policeman took the gun, and Wyatt later paid a fifty dollar fine. He was an exceedingly vain man. Wyatt called the fight for the underdog, Sharkey, on a low blow foul. Nationwide controversy. It was in the day of editorial cartoons of Wyatt in the ring with six guns, etc. This went on for months. Bat defended Wyatt's honesty, and had a pile of money bet on Fitzsimmons, when many papers thought Wyatt had taken a bribe because you couldn't see any low blow. Sharkey hit the canvas holding his balls. Wyatt and Josie left San Franciso because of this, and went to the gold strike in Alaska. Wyatt's gambling joint was right next to Tex Rickards, who would go on to be America's premeire boxing promoter, with Jack Dempsey, heavy weight champ, who I met in Big Spring, Texas when he was there to referree the wrestling matches for my uncle Rowdy Pat O'Dowdy. I was a kid. There was a party and Dempsey cooked spaghetti for everyone.

Wyatt went through a few gun fights, assassinaion attempts and was never shot. He thought it was some type of spiritual protection. Most nearly every one else got shot and walked with a cane: Doc Holliday, Ben Thompson, Luke Short, Bat Masterson, and Wild Bill Hickok. A cane could be a weapon. A myth was that Bat got his road name from hitting folks with his cane. His real name was Bartholomew. Doc whipped a man with his cane in Breckenridge, Texas. Later, the guy shot him.

Not exactly an unbiased source.

Certainly, but definitely a very close source.

It's probably moot since Johnny acknowledges the book had issues which is what I was saying in the first place and Johnny misunderstood thinking I had issues with his post.

[QUOTE=jefkve;35213061] I read that after I posted about hoping for google to translate, but before your post. Didn't really understand it, but I read it.

How is any of this NV or G?

[QUOTE=Doc T River;35214438] Its a logical fallacy. So in the case of the argument at hand, Just because one was at the others funeral, does not mean they met before....

this

Thanks to everyone. It is old news, history, which I have posted here since 2007. It is views, in that you see disagreement, and it is gossip about people.

This is all you need to know.

All these TV shows have a hero that rides off to save lives. Bat did that. When he got a wire that Doc was in trouble or Billy Thompson or Luke Short, he was on the next train. I read that at one time, while this fabulous big hit TV series was on, there were in that era six TV series that had to do with Wyatt Earp and his friends.

Wyatt Earp may well be the victim of more slander than any individual in history. Nearly all of the manufactured evidence used in an attempt to paint him as an outlaw rather than a lawman can be directly traced to accounts in the Tombstone Nugget, which was owned by Cochise Sheriff Johnny Behan and which acted as a mouthpiece for the entire cowboy faction, and in the autobiography of Behan deputy Billy Breakenridge. Those stories have been thoroughly refuted by modern biographers; the best being Casey Tefertiller's "Wyatt Earp -- the Life Behind the Legend." Up until the time of the OK Corral, Earp had never killed anyone. Eyewitness reports and a judicial hearing exonerated the Earps and upheld their action. Earp's famous "vendetta ride" occurred when he was acting as deputy U.S. marshal and in possession of legal warrants. The judge who issued those warrants told Wyatt that he should leave its targets "in the mesquite brush" where they could not avoid justice by the alibis their henchmen would surely provide, just as they had provided them in the murder hearing held after the ambush of Virgil Earp.

Incidentally, did not see before my previous post that some had questioned that Wayne actually met and knew Wyatt Earp. Wayne, still Marion Morrison at the time, was working as a prop hand for a movie studio when he met Earp, who was visiting the set. He spent a great deal of time with him and did indeed tell many people, including Hugh O'Brien, that he had modeled his version of western lawmen entirely on Wyatt.

Wb and screw that Doc T bully guy!

lol, welcome back Johnny.