But how much did he lose?

Some people on here make me laugh my ass off! Not listening to PR cus Seebs has signed with UB. LOL you sound like a little kid (rant over).

You have a choice to play there and you have a choice not to, don't condemn someone when you know absolutley nothing regarding their personal situation with the site.

I personally don't play there atm (due to what happened and that i've been happy with PS) but I imagine i'd give the site a go somewhere in the future. However, i like to think that this whole scandal needed to happen to bring online poker out of it's seedy little hole, where sites were themselves judge, jury and executor. This way i'd hope ALL sites could be regulated and governed by one body and put an end to situations that have cast a dark cloud over online poker.

I'd like to wish Joe all the best for his future with UB

Well, at least i can honestly say i quit listening to PRR 2 months ago because i thought it had gone dramatically downhill. I just couldn't stand listening to Sebok for another second, he's a whiny little p**sy who's 'poker insight' was laughable, just go back and listen to the original Haxton podcast for proof of that.

This is jsut further proof of how much of a complete tool that guy is. Remember, it wasn't that long ago that Barry and Joe were defending Russ, despite all evidence to the contrary. Jesus, there are just so many unsavory people in the world of poker. Whouda thunk right?!

+1
At least everyone here has not been brainwashed.

sounds about right

and jposu,

you sound pretty stupid no offense. but hey good luck in getting sponsored by UB

+1...and I really liked some parts of the site...a few blogs and specially Barry's tidbits about ivey...but will never ever visit the site again and will NOT click on anyone's link in this forum...gg pokerroad...

P.S. bad career advice from Barry G....joe might be flat broke, but taking a deal with UB is just an awful decision.

That is exactly what is UB hoping and is counting on....for people to forget how they stole tens of millions of dollars and treated them like sh*&, and hid the criminals.

it's all about the money
he's full of BS
what a $ellout
guess that pokerroad is not very profitable

+1...and didn't Annie try this last year by coming out FIRING, and defending UB and saying how the new management is different and she will do everything she can to resolve the issues, and was confident that the new idiots at UB will reveal all the names and conclude the investigation amicably, etc.???

Extremely well-put sir...what do you have to say now JP?

but, boycotting pokerroad is NOT silly, IMO.

From the pokernews write-up.

"For me personally, I wanted to get three things accomplished: get the cheating account handles out in the open, open up the access for players to get all their hand histories, and get the actual physical names of the cheaters, besides Russ Hamilton, out in the open. We succeeded in getting two-thirds of that list done and that was enough for me to come on board and continue to work for #3 on that list," he said.

Joe seems to be claiming that all the hand histories have been released. A bunch of people here dispute that this has happened. That's a terrible sign to start with. But let's say they show up in everyone's email later on today, and the Hand History chest is open wide for everyone who wants to look. That means that Paul Leggett and the rest of present-day UB have been sitting on them for months and months and months ignoring everyone's requests while claiming to be as open as possible. Its been lies on top of lies, and when they try to tell the truth, more lies are exposed.

The dozens irate here will be dwarfed by the hundreds if not thousands of new people PR will reach if cross promoted decently, perhaps by a UB weekly show. Somehow UB survived this mess, by reassuring enough people that what happened will never happen again. Who here wouldn't take money to be part of the solution? I don't see how standup guys within the community like Bax and Sebok consulting a room people apparently still want to play at is a bad thing.

I'm always surprised by these ub threads. Everybody seems so concerned about principles and nobody seems concerned about getting their money back. Has everybody who still thinks they were cheated and not fully refunded just given up all hope of ever getting more money back?

Congrats Joe. Look forward to playing with you.

Say it ain't so Joe...Say it ain't so...

good people make honest mistakes.

i'm gonna give joe a chance to correct this one.

Where's the outrage at UB for signing some live tourney donk who doesn't even play online.

Long time lurker, but anyway..

Joe is doing it for the money, why doesnt he just own up to this?
It's like he's trying to make out like hes on a one man crusade to get all this names outed when really its because of the money going in his pocket.

Its a smart move for UB though, he's one of the nice guys in poker with a large community of people that follow him and I guess they think it might add more repect (somehow) to the brand.

Name: Joe Sebok
Location: San Francisco, CA, United States
Cashes: 44
Total Winnings: $1,821,642
First Place Finishes: 4
ProRank 1 Position: 1517 [ DETAILS ]
Age: 32
Marital Status: Single
Children: None, thankfully
Started Playing Poker: March, '04
Favorite Poker Game: No-Limit Hold'em
Ambition: To do as many amazing things in this life as I can. Hopefully affect change in as many spots as I can, and make a ton of friends along the way. That, and win as many poker tournaments as is humanly possible.
Hobbies: Running Drums Writing Basketball Backgammon
Favorite Movie: Shawshank Redemption, Contact, Swingers, The Wall
Favorite Music: Dave Matthews Band, John Butler Trio, Rush, Citizen Cope
Favorite Place: Usually my bed. The Yucatan in Mexico is pretty amazing too.
Favorite Celebrity: I did have a big crush on Sandra Bullock for a number of years
Poker Players I Respect Most: Barry Greenstein, for watching him overcome every obstacle thrown in his path, and still become an all-time great...and finding time to change the world a little along the way. Phil Ivey, for his relentlessness and complete dedication to becoming the absolute best.
If I could change anything in the world: Get everyone to relax a little bit. It's all going to be alright, everyone...
If I could change anything in the poker world: The poker world is great. There are those who have class and those who do not, and those who play tough and those who whine. If we didn't have the latter, we couldn't appreciate the former so much.


there it is we should all relax a little good point.

ESPECIALLY that "two jacks in the hole" crap. stapes is the man.

I love that we can say "dick". It's made my day!

well said!

disappointing. gives me a good excuse to unsubsribe from PR radio though, which has been terrible for too long now.
Will stick with the Poker Beat, as long as they mention this story.

I agree with most of what Adam said in response to JP (as for boycotting PokerRoad, I really have no opinion on that). And it is much, much too late at this point for any release of any information by UB to convince me of anything whatsoever. Their years-long campaign of obfuscation has completely destroyed their credibility.