you all still boycott cotton shirts b/c of slavery?

don't be ridiculous. there's no way i'd go near these people, not for any money. i'd rather not have a pot to p**s in than be annie duke's puppet.

This really isn't a complicated issue and I can't believe how absurd some of these posts are, like the one two above me by john voight.

Separating the individuals from the "brand" is kind of ridiculous. Did Enron cheat, or was it only the individuals associated with Enron? Can anyone really provide any kind of evidence to support an argument that the current "management" and "ownership" has come completely clean on this? Of course not. In fact, we can't even verify their statements that it's new "ownership" in the sense that the money is now going to a completely different set of people then were in control during the years of cheating that took place.

UB and it's current/former or whatever ownership has done nothing more then is absolutely the bare essential necessary to maintain the valuable brand that they developed. At the very least, they have covered up the full extent of the cheating in order to maintain the UB brand. And, because they have done that, there's really NOTHING that can be done to change that at this point. Anyone who tells you differently, including my friend Joe, has either been duped by the UB hard sell or is being disingenuous (at best).

What they did was allow an investigation by a gaming commision with strong financial ties to the past and future success of UB, and have claimed that they turned over the info to the proper "authorities," which I'm guessing is something along the lines of:



This doesn't even begin to address the Ante up for Africa shadiness exposed by Admo. Why anyone would want to be associated with Annie Duke, Phil Hellmuth, etc. is beyond my comprehension.

How many Poker Players Total in the World? How many of those play On-Line?

How many take the time of day to post in either 2+2 Forums, Poker Road Forums, Or Pocket 5's etc.?

How many people are truly upset at UB for what they did? I am sure a few thousand led by Todd Witteless who has a valid gripe.

UB payed back millions to players who were cheated. This does not make it right but if they were convicted in a court of Law, restitution would be part of the verdict.

They could have just said, "We are on top of this issue and we will get back to you as soon as we find out who the culprits are" and not payed out a cent!

It appears they are TRYING to right a wrong and are signing credible individuals. In the meantime only us Hounds in the forums and those who play On-Line everyday really think about the UB issue as does Russ Hamilton who now has to be awaiting his fate with the IRS.

Hundreds of others who play in B&M casinos really do not care and thousands of others have more important issues going on.

So in the long run the USA is a free country and we have the right to choose what we want and who we want in our lives and UB seems to have a large number of USA players on their site who do not seem to upset about the past.

We also have the right to voice our opinion's freely as everyone is doing here.

I being in Law Enforcement really wanted to see more but I think we have received all were going to get.

GL Joe Sebok kick some A$$

And yes, this little rant of mine was inspired by Annie Duke's tilt-inducing tweet to Sebok about the "haters." Yeah, there is no reason to be suspicious of UB unless you are a hater. This is who you have chosen to go into business with, Joe. Ugh.

Please explain I missed this post!

I thought I remembered ads on 2+2 after one of the scandals, but you took them down after there was pressure. I will disagree with any Ub advertising until we get truthful answers from Joe. Even though I didn't agree with him, I guess it's better to hear from someone I know I can trust.

Barry

Barry,
I believe you saw the adverts of affiliates and rake-back sites. Not UB or AP directly. Those sites were informed by 2+2 Management of their desire to remove them from their adverts and consider removing them from their programs. Since they are independent companies they were given some time to make the changes in the ads and it is their decision whether or not to support them with their rake-back deals.

Most of these NVGtards work for a living, trying grinding 7-5 in steel plant or slaughterhouse then tell me how much of a grind tournament poker is. Poker might not be easy at times, but it's nothing compared to getting laid off in a recession and losing your house. In poker your rep means a lot, and needless to say Joe's rep has been seriously damaged. Joe isn't on the unemployment line, I'm sure Barry will not let him go homeless, I guess maintaining the poker lifestyle takes some good cash flow, so I find it hard to believe this is some kinda last resort for Seebs. As for not knowing "what your decision would be in that scenario when you're getting paid an exorbitant sum of money to wear a ****ing patch? " A Swastika goes on a patch too, doesn't mean you wear it because you are getting offered some good dough, point is any patch you rep is a reflection on you.

yes because that is clearly an applicable analogy

YES!

First post to draw a link between this and the Nazi's

Bravo, well played

Edit: Meh, after further thought this is unnecessary.

props to MJ and adam, paul smith, and mookman. i respect the hell out of all of you.

+1..well said...especially the last sentence...

No. We have never allowed ads as you describe. However, what we do allow are banners supplied by affiliate companies who purchase advertising with us, and sometimes the banner they supply will include either AP or UB (or both). And when we see this we have them remove the reference.

By the way, Two Plus Two is not run based on pressure we receive from others (which happens all the time), and I care very little concerning any pressure we receive. Our business model is based on delivering a top notch product and running an honest company. It has probably cost us significant revenue in the short run, but in the long run, we believe we are well ahead.

MM