"[T]he drive of the Rockefellers and their allies is to create a one-world government, combining super-capitalism and Communism under the same tent, all under their control ... Do I mean conspiracy? Yes I do. I am convinced there is such a plot, international in scope, generations old in planning, and incredibly evil in intent."
(Speaking of Carroll Quigley, a history professor at Georgetown University "He says, Sure we've been working it, sure we've been collaborating with communism, yes we're working with global accommodation, yes, we're working for world government. But the only thing I object to, is that we've kept it a secret."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Larry_McDonald

Understand that hearing explosions is not the same as hearing demolition charges. Of course people heard loud things like explosions. There were fires all over the building, transformers blew, all kinds of things probably exploded. The difference is that demolition charges would occur right before the collapse and would be heard for miles by everyone. All videos that show the collapse and are within this range are missing these sounds. They didn't happen. This really is the end of that.

I have seen that firemen on the phone video. I can't remember what was found about it, but I remember not being surprised to find out that it was either fake/enhanced audio (notice that the fireman in frame doesn't jump when the sound happens, but smoothly turns) or something unrelated like a transformer blowing. Also, what indicates to you that that sound has anything to do with WTC7 or is near or at the time of WTC7's collapse?

I don't see any claims here worth addressing other than "so many inaccuracies" which is worse than an assumption, it appears to be a guess. What exactly is inaccurate?

It is called the most likely hypothesis. You could also call gravity an assumption at this point, you know.

Average business fire? hehe. You realize that WTC7 burned for 5+ hours unfought, right? You realize there were several fuel tanks, and probably a ruptured gas line in the building, too, right? This was not an average business fire. (lol at that term)

I was showing that the steel was not hauled away 1) immediately, and 2) before being investigated.

You finally got around to answering my question about what NIST's main failure hypothesis was! Congratulations. I actually still don't think you read it, I still think what you did was went and read someone's criticism of it and are pasting things from that.

For instance, what exactly is different from those damage diagrams you quoted than what was observed that day?

What is the evidence that the Barry Jennings explosions were in anyway related to the hypothetical blast events in WTC7? There were lots of things that caused loud sounds that day. The common thought is that Barry Jennings' witnessed the sounds of WTC2 hitting WTC7. And please don't bring up the stepping over bodies thing (not that it would matter).

Aha, knew I had seen it debunked:

One video that keeps popping up when "explosives" are discussed -- particularly when anyone asks why we don't hear any during the collapses -- is this one.

Usually, this is attributed to explosions at WTC 7, but I've never been able to find out when and where the video was shot. But one version I found on YouTube had a comment mentioning Broadway and Murray. Using the "street view" photos in Google maps, I've found that phone booth: It's on the north side of Murray, just west of West Broadway:





When the camera turns and shows another fireman approaching from east on Murray, we can see that the sun is almost directly behind him:



Using the sun position calculator on the Naval Observatory website, we can tell when the sun was in that approximate position on 9/11/2001 in NYC:

Astronomical Applications Dept.
U.S. Naval Observatory
Washington, DC 20392-5420

NEW YORK, NEW YORK
o , o ,
W 73 55, N40 44

Altitude and Azimuth of the Sun
Sep 11, 2001
NEW YORK, NEW YORK
o , o ,
W 73 55, N40 44

Eastern
Standard
Time Altitude Azimuth (E of N)
...
09:00 37.0 121.5
09:10 38.6 123.9
09:20 40.2 126.5 <---
09:30 41.7 129.1
09:40 43.1 131.9
09:50 44.5 134.7 <---
10:00 45.8 137.8
...

The table gives Eastern Standard Time, but NYC was on Daylight Savings Time on 9/11, so the video was probably shot sometime between 10:20 AM and 10:50 AM. In other words, it was probably shot between the times that WTC2 and WTC1 collapsed, or it may have been somewhat after WTC1 collapsed -- perhaps even during the collapse, and what we hear is WTC 7 getting hit with debris. Of course, WTC 7 collapsed some 7 hours later. I don't know what that sound was (or if it's been faked), but we are certainly not hearing the "explosives" that caused the "sudden onset of free-fall" in WTC7 (some 1.75 seconds after the whole building was already falling).

WTC7 collapsed into itself out of sympathy for the other two towers

This.

Through all of the screaming of both compelling and easily dismissible claims from different sides of the 911 argument, the undisputed fact that the buildings fall at a the rate of free fall stands out like a concussion grenade set off in a library at a senior citizens center.

If science isn't your thing, if you're an uneducated but intelligent poker player who believes in the official/popular version of 911, then I invite you to try this experiment where you can use your people reading skills to understand the issue further. Find an engineer who also buys into the popular explanation, that the heat from the explosion melted the buildings, causing their collapse. This isn't hard to do as engineers are everywhere, pretty knowledgeable about science but usually don't have the imagination or inclination to doubt anything the government says. Ask them why, if the buildings melted (sounds silly when written that directly doesn't it?), do they fall at free fall speed. Look at their face when you bring up that point and take your read on the into your decision about this matter.

They didn't fall at free fall speed* -- they fell somewhat near it, but not at it. This is a crucial difference. In fact, when discussing the twin towers, the difference is actually quite significant. The reason WTC7 appears to be closer to free fall speed* has already been addressed by me in this thread.

And yes "the buildings melted" does sound silly. That's also not the claim so hooray!




*acceleration

cliffs?

Jeff Madsen is a conspiracy guy and OP thinks it's somehow wrong for him to be talking about that stuff in his own blog. Epic conspiracy debate ensues.

charlie sheen sucks