bye bye carrer

Though this extrapolation is obviously going to be made it's counter productive to speculate on other cases that haven't been reported.

Not defending the bloke, just saying it seems a bit harsh to throw around comments like that.

Look forward to hearing about the other cases though.

Looks like jays blog was taken down. Did he apologize or say anything important?

nope

pretty surprised by kevmath's reaction to all this, i'm disappointed 2+2 basically made him iirc. looks like he's drank the koolaid pretty hard.

Or non reaction....

@whojedi twitter now private.

sniff.....sniff......i could almost shed a tear.

41 years old, and thought he would steal from dealers.

Sorry whojedi.

Time for you to go.

Many of these people you were stealing from struggle to get by as it is.

NO EXCUSE FOR THIS.

#onestrikepolicyinpoker

#cleanpokerup

Don't worry "whojedi", if Annie Duke can re-brand herself, so can you !

Annie is now a Speaker and Decision Coach, getting paid to talk about the "Science of Decision" with her own web site & everything ! She claims to be a Decision Making "EXPERT" on her web site, and companies pay to listen !!

http://annieduke.com/

Gota Love America !!

Go get em "whojedi" !

EDIT: So as not to derail....More details here;

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/29...-duke-1409210/

Any help for those of us trying to keep score from home?

I have it starting at an impressive 3 to 0, and moving to an almost unbelievable 11 to 0.

Kevmode might owe Alan an apology.

I assume you mean Kevmath, not Kevmode.

In any case, I still put myself in the camp that says Kevmath has no obligation to say anything about it on his personal Twitter/Facebook/et al, one way or another.

However, I'm also in the camp that his employer, Bluff, should have had something about it by now if it truly wants to be considered a poker news outlet. Even their roundup called "The Week That Was" had no mention of it.

He might address it in "Part II" of his response to 2+2

But then again, that might never come.

from Kevmath - "Part I":

When is "later"?

Something, something ... actually, Kevmath is cool and his statement clearly begins with "as a friend of Jay's" so he obviously is being a good friend. He points out that his friend didn't include an apology to the dealers and that PokerFuse didn't provide screenshots, which would have been helpful. Whojedi is suffering significant (even severe) consequences for his actions, which is how it should be. There's no hurry for Part II.

Cheers to the union, again.

I keep reading about people saying negative things about Kevmath.

My opinion: I do not think Kevmath has any responsibility to say anything publicly about every poker story. And I do no believe he had any responsibility to say anything publicly on this issue.

Kevmath is a guy I follow (on Twitter & in general) and listen to because he says knowledgeable stuff about the poker world and is on top of stuff. I do not follow/listen to him because I expect him to tell me EVERYTHING about the poker world. That would be ridiculous. I don't consider him an investigative journalist or a breaker of every story in the poker world. He is under no responsibility to do that; that is not his job.

If he doesn't want to cover or say anything about a story, I see no reason why he would be morally compelled to. If he wants to ignore a story, for whatever reason, that's okay with me. I'm not sure why people are placing this kind of responsibility on him.

If a story is big enough to be news-worthy, it will be covered by someone. Just like what happened here. There's nobody with enough reach in the poker world that a significant story like this could be covered up. And it's understandable that someone wouldn't want to talk about their friend, especially at the very beginning of a scandal.

If we agree that he has no moral responsibility to report on every poker-related story, then we can't find fault with Kevmath's behavior.

And I think if you're relying on Kevmath (or any person, for that matter) to tell you everything about the poker world, you have strange expectations of people.

kevmath is obv good ppl, at least in my book, he prob has his reasons w/e.

what really depresses me, still, is the lack of photoshopppppps

I don't think people are all that upset with Kevmath for not tweeting about this incident, but more because he supposedly knocked others for talking about it and tried to make people squash the story.

When he's ready.

Hi apokerplayer:

I agree with this. While the poker community would certainly welcome more comments from KevMath, and I hope he speaks again on this subject, he's certainly not obligated to do so, and it's not his normal area of expertise. So I see nothing improper in his actions and feel that much of the criticism directed at him is not warranted.

Best wishes,
Mason

apokerplayer is 100% right.

Kevmath is not at fault here.

If he doesn't want to retweet stories about a good friend of his screwing up, he doesn't have to.

I have seen no evidence of Kevmath attempting to hinder this story from being reported, no evidence of him bashing those reporting it, and no evidence of him bashing this thread or NVG.

Get off his back.

Kevmath has his pen and phone plus a blogger card he could play . Like any democrat when in doubt go silent.

I have been on a self-imposed exile from 2+2 for many years. I removed myself from the bull**** of these forums because I was incessantly trolled for taking a stance similar to yours above WRT to Justin BonerMo and rJ-PITTM.

It is refreshing to see many respected poster ITT calling a spade a spade and not being attacked for making the statement. I think 2+2 has come a long way.

Yeah, I realized that Justin and rJ were good friend's to many and were probably very nice guys. But they were also dirtbag mother****ing cheats that should be banned from anything poker related. Having fanboys is fine. But once it comes out that the person has stolen from the community that actually created their livelihood, I think that person has crossed a moral line that can't be undone.

I was a huge fanboy of the political ideals and morals of Ross Ulbright. When it came to light that he contracted six hits (all stings), he became an unacceptable member of society in my eyes. The fact that nobody actually died did nothing to mitigate my disgust for him. After his first "hit", it became very easy and almost routine to continue ordering people be killed. Soon it was simply part of the business.

I'm sure Jay hated himself after his first theft, but he kept going until he was caught. He created a monster within himself that had zero chance of stopping without stealing from many others. His friends should support him in getting through this and eventually finding a job in another line of work. He should never, ever be employed in the poker industry in any capacity. Anything less than 1-strike your out, zero tolerance in cases like these simply perpetuates all the negative stereotypes of the game and people of poker. Communities like twoplustwo work very hard trying to remove some of this tarnish (well - not BBV). We need to sometimes be judge, jury and executioner even when the person is a friend and was previously held in highest respect..

That was yesterday mother****er!!

I contacted the reporter at The Day in New London CT that originally reported the press release. He took an image of the PR and sent it to me. I removed Whojedi's address and DOB. Everything else is exactly as it was sent to me.

I should just +1 apokerplayer, but KW's post is shorter and it has the part I boldfaced.

if he's thinking clearly now and getting good advice from his friends and family he should consider speaking to a well known reporter and coming clean and asking forgiveness from the poker community. It won't mean the end of his troubles but it will be good for his own mind, and maybe give him a start towards redemption.

Seriously. I'm embarrassed for him with how he handled this. The statement was about as weak as it gets and a complete slap in the face to the people he stole from. Then he protects his tweets and hides.

A complete lack of respect for the same people in the poker community that he networked/begged for jobs.