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Jay "Whojedi" Newnum Caught Stealing from Foxwoods Jay "Whojedi" Newnum Caught Stealing from Foxwoods

01-09-2014 , 01:07 PM
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Originally Posted by oerockets
Is there ANYTHING besides an anonymous Facebook post on a page I've never heard of? Who is Billy? Does he have a last name? What about the others in the post?

I'm surprised how quickly everyone is assuming a random FB post is true over someone who many in the poker world love.
The facebook post is from the union website.
01-09-2014 , 01:11 PM
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Originally Posted by F0XWOODSnuts29
The facebook post is from the union website.
Still, allegations like this require evidence. If the post is true, then obviously there's video evidence and a confession. If those both exist, they will surface in time. However, until then I feel we should all think with clear heads and realize at this point we don't know who Jay's accuser is and whether any of this is true.
01-09-2014 , 01:14 PM
I heard about this news over a week ago from a reliable source but chose not to say anything since a public statement on both sides was never released to confirm or deny. Since the fb post went public, everyone is speculating what really happened.

I tweeted last night:

"Fwiw I like Jay and think he's great at his job. One of the best in the industry imo. Hope this gets resolved for all parties involved."

To which Jay DM'ed me:

"Appreciate that man. Unfortunately me coming out with what happened probably isn't even going to help. That will be considered the truth."

I just like others that are friendly with Jay and appreciate what he does for the industry will show my support while this issue gets sorted out. But Jay has not publically addressed the issue yet. Whether true or not, it is 100% confirmed something took place. Will wait to see if another side to the story surfaces.
01-09-2014 , 01:15 PM
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Originally Posted by oerockets
Is there ANYTHING besides an anonymous Facebook post on a page I've never heard of? Who is Billy? Does he have a last name? What about the others in the post?

I'm surprised how quickly everyone is assuming a random FB post is true over someone who many in the poker world love.
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Originally Posted by oerockets
Still, allegations like this require evidence. If the post is true, then obviously there's video evidence and a confession. If those both exist, they will surface in time. However, until then I feel we should all think with clear heads and realize at this point we don't know who Jay's accuser is and whether any of this is true.
http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/18...blist-1192829/
01-09-2014 , 01:17 PM
Wasn't there a thread about the circuit event TD stealing the dealer add on money before? Anytime money is involved there will be somebody trying to get it one way or another
01-09-2014 , 01:27 PM
I also want to state that I won the $400 Foxwoods Mega on Dec. 14th, one of the dates in question. If this news is confirmed 100% true, I'll be greatly disappointed as I left several hundred dollars for the hardworking dealers that night. In no way do I support theft of any kind, regardless of who you are. Just hope he comes forward with a public statement.
01-09-2014 , 02:11 PM
Driving but have some conclusive evidence to post when I get back to my office in a little. Stay tuned.......
01-09-2014 , 02:14 PM
Dis gone be good
01-09-2014 , 02:18 PM
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Originally Posted by Wildspoke
We live in unusual time.

We have someone on the first page say he is good friends with the person in question.

It it was me, I'd pick up the phone and ask him if it was true. We could quickly end the speculation and address the issue head on.

Instead we post endlessly, send tweets and debate the validity of the Facebook post.

This is not an indictment on SrslySirius but how we as society handle situations like this – letting them more often than not spiral out of control.

A quick answer would take all the oxygen out of the thread and end the speculation.

Jay could come into the thread and say: No, it's not true. Or Yes, unfortunately it is true. He then can offer up an apology and explanation.

If my reputation was getting thrashed, I would want to be alerted to it as soon as possible so I could handle situation head on.
I'll admit my reaction last night was a bit impulsive and pearl-clutching. Though I did attempt to contact him and alert him of this thread the moment I saw it. I'm sure many others did as well.
01-09-2014 , 02:36 PM
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Originally Posted by runer

To which Jay DM'ed me:

"Appreciate that man. Unfortunately me coming out with what happened probably isn't even going to help. That will be considered the truth."
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I talked to Runer and had him send this over to me. It's a screen shot of their conversation.



Now I know this isn't an outright confession but there are a few very key aspects to this

1. Jay is acknowledging that something did indeed happen with him at foxwoods, and it was not good. He has lost his job because of it. Pretty safe it is NOT a rumor.

2. He has been made aware that this is out in the open and has decided to not address the public about it. I understand he may be preparing something to say and that does take time, but up until this point there has been nothing.

3. How many situations can you honestly be misjudged when it comes to taking money and lose your job? Only case where its not outright robbery would be if he says someone was tipping him, and they put it in the dealer tips. Either way you shouldn't be accepting tips.

Really disappointing to see all of this. I pray Jay decides to come forward and let us know what really happened.

If you have already lost your job, why not clear the air...especially for everyone who has been a fan of yours?
01-09-2014 , 02:48 PM
That screen shot is hardly conclusive evidence and you seem to have an agenda
01-09-2014 , 02:48 PM
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Originally Posted by BJ Nemeth
If you found yourself in a situation like this (whether it's true, false, or a misunderstanding somewhere in the middle), you might want to take a little time to prepare your response. Keep in mind that these allegations seemed to appear around midnight Eastern Time last night.

If it were me, I'd want to at least sleep on it and spend a couple hours carefully crafting a response that would undoubtedly be picked to pieces by people who will be eager to find deeper meaning and subtext in every single phrase.
uhhh wut?
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Originally Posted by comesandgoes
I've nothing to add regarding the person in question but a firm denial does not need to be crafted or slept on at all.
^^^good post

Last edited by AdamSchwartz; 01-09-2014 at 03:33 PM. Reason: quoting deleted post
01-09-2014 , 02:50 PM
My read is a TD was stealing and set up jay to take the fall.
01-09-2014 , 02:52 PM
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Originally Posted by twalf
That screen shot is hardly conclusive evidence and you seem to have an agenda
no agenda at all...I think its fairly conclusive evidence that something did happen.
All i'm looking for is an answer from either one of the parties involved. I think anyone who has played in the series or left money in one in the dealers tip box has a right to know.
01-09-2014 , 02:54 PM
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Last week he was presented in court and applied for Accelerated Rehabilitation AR for the theft of $700 of dealer toke money.
Isn't this pretty much an admission of guilt?
01-09-2014 , 02:55 PM
There has been a couple updates on the FB page about a couple of errors.
one concerning the spelling error
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Local 2121 I am sorry for improper spelling of Mr Newnum's name. The correct spelling is Newnum Posted by Billy
The other about his affiliation
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My reference to Mr. Newnum being involved with the World Poker Tour is inaccurate and I would like to apologize to the WPT for my posting of this.

The accurate info is his affiliation is with the WSOP - World Series Of Poker.

Again I apologize to the WPT for my actions in referencing them in this article.

Posted by Billy
01-09-2014 , 03:02 PM
The gentleman who made the initial post is William "Billy" Shea, the President of the Local 2121 Union.



Also, Dale Wolbrink (female, not male) is the Manager of Public Relations at Foxwoods and would neither confirm nor deny the report. She stated that the company has a policy of "not commenting on employees past or present."
01-09-2014 , 03:02 PM
You don't get accused of this and stay silent to think up a statement if you are innocent. He's staying silent because he's embarrassed or trying to fashion some sob story that will pull at his friends hearts. The dude is a almost surely a thief and some of the comments in here are frightening.
01-09-2014 , 03:24 PM
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Originally Posted by BustoPro
LOLWTF at "Such-and-such guy would NEVER steal".
I've seen extremely well-liked and well-regarded millionaires steal from people who needed the money. Both inside and outside the poker world. They do it for any reason or no reason.

If there's one think I've learned, you don't REALLY know anyone. Probably not even yourself.
Totally agreed, such a recurring theme, and so tilting. naïve really. people just don't seem to understand / recognise human nature. it boils down to opportunity. many people are decent at their core, but a lot of petty (and indeed serious) crime simply comes down to the opportunity presenting itself - and that applies to 'good' folk too.

for example, these charity collectors / tin shakers (i.e. the ones who actually collect physical money given by people on an impulse basis)... now i'm sure the vast majority of those who enter into that world do so with good intentions (and plenty of them have some personal connection / experience relating to the charity they are helping out). however suddenly when they find themselves with access to cold cash that is largely unaccountable, they end up pilfering small amounts.

Opportunity. that's often all it takes to push an upstanding person to doing something that is completely out of character to those who 'know' them.

not suggesting for a second that this applies to everyone, just a much bigger percentage than most seem to think.

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Originally Posted by moki
So no "Been Caught Stealing" parody video?
01-09-2014 , 03:26 PM
Joan Rivers proven right again. She's like the Nostradamus of the poker world.
01-09-2014 , 03:34 PM
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Originally Posted by Ditch Digger
You don't get accused of this and stay silent to think up a statement if you are innocent. He's staying silent because he's embarrassed or trying to fashion some sob story that will pull at his friends hearts. The dude is a almost surely a thief and some of the comments in here are frightening.


(above appropriate because he is/was friends with Joy Miller)

Jay has gone silent on Twitter since January 5, and has not responded to these incredibly serious allegations -- either himself or through one of his many friends. When you are accused of something like this, you can always give a firm denial quickly if not guilty. I cannot imagine a scenario where Jay hasn't been made aware of this accusation, or to where he is unable to access the internet in some way to respond. None of his friends have presented any reason why he can't respond (such as claims that he's in the Australian outback and can't be reached). The lack of response is the most telling, because if you're falsely accused of stealing, you simply come out and say, "No, I didn't do it. I am innocent. I did not steal from anyone. These allegations are false." It does not require any kind of delay. It does not require a carefully-crafted PR excuse. With every minute that passes, Jay's career gets hurt, so he would be a fool not to respond with a denial if this were false.

I think this is going to end up one of those "Yes, I was accused of this and arrested, but I really wasn't guilty, it was all a misunderstanding, and I only pled guilty to avoid a criminal conviction on my record, blah blah blah"

Basically a pile of BS, and his career in the poker media is over.
01-09-2014 , 03:39 PM
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Originally Posted by Ditch Digger
You don't get accused of this and stay silent to think up a statement if you are innocent. He's staying silent because he's embarrassed or trying to fashion some sob story that will pull at his friends hearts. The dude is a almost surely a thief and some of the comments in here are frightening.
I think people are just in a state of disbelief.
No one wants to see someone they have seen over the years be falsely accused about something that will ruin a reputation and future employment .
However It is increasingly looking to be the case, it seems very unlikely to be a hack Facebook page or a smear campaign against him.
If I had to guess seeing so many millions of dollars won by others pass by him over the years might had lead to a gambling addiction that lead to theft. It's not an excuse but maybe a reason why someone end up doing something as scummy as stealing from the dealers.
01-09-2014 , 03:48 PM
He sold pieces of himself here about a year ago:

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/18...ckage-1279463/

Just curious, is there any way to look up records and see if he actually played every event he claimed?
01-09-2014 , 03:50 PM
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Originally Posted by Kilowatt
He sold pieces of himself here about a year ago:

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/18...ckage-1279463/

Just curious, is there any way to look up records and see if he actually played every event he claimed?
You are the greatest.
01-09-2014 , 03:54 PM
Poker. You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy.

      
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