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Jay "Whojedi" Newnum Caught Stealing from Foxwoods Jay "Whojedi" Newnum Caught Stealing from Foxwoods

01-09-2014 , 04:19 AM
Read it again.

It says he was CAUGHT just before Christmas, but that they also suspect he was stealing on December 9th and 14th. But he wasn't caught on either of those dates.
01-09-2014 , 04:20 AM
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Originally Posted by jh12547
Tournament tip money is not clipped to a dealer.

Sorry for those that know him but unfortunately this is 100% a true story. I am close friends with one of the names mentioned that took care of the money getting returned.
What did this person say to you?
01-09-2014 , 04:25 AM
Seems awfully quick unless the case is ongoing (if he just applied to AR in his first court date or something...).

Caught just before Christmas, arrested, appears in court... it's only the 9th now.

As far as the tweets, I'm not sure that's a major indicator. There's no reason to think he was in jail more than a few hours during any of those days, so missing tweets wouldn't be all that likely.
01-09-2014 , 04:28 AM
Also seems a bit premature for the facebook post. It sounds like this case is ongoing, why on earth would they say "if we see he's stolen another day we'll let the prosecutor know."

If this is a PSA, then why not just say that the individual has been arrested for theft. It reads like a news story almost, more curiosity details than any logic for some of the details (as far as I can see at least).

I guess I should cut some slack, it might be a tough emotional situation for the person who wrote the fb post. Just seems a bit odd that they'd go into all this detail and what if scenarios about an ongoing case. Seems out of place.
01-09-2014 , 04:32 AM
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Originally Posted by Kilowatt
Read it again.

It says he was CAUGHT just before Christmas, but that they also suspect he was stealing on December 9th and 14th. But he wasn't caught on either of those dates.
You read it again. My Dec. 16-17 point was in response to your post:

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Originally Posted by Kilowatt
...He was consistently tweeting every day in the weeks before, during, and after Christmas...
01-09-2014 , 04:34 AM
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Originally Posted by ChicagoRy
Seems awfully quick unless the case is ongoing (if he just applied to AR in his first court date or something...).

Caught just before Christmas, arrested, appears in court... it's only the 9th now.

As far as the tweets, I'm not sure that's a major indicator. There's no reason to think he was in jail more than a few hours during any of those days, so missing tweets wouldn't be all that likely.

It could be coincidence but if the post is accurate, his career in the poker photo/blogger is all but done. Would be a good enough reason to drop off social media due to shame/depression for a while.
01-09-2014 , 04:38 AM
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Originally Posted by The STUD
It could be coincidence but if the post is accurate, his career in the poker photo/blogger is all but done. Would be a good enough reason to drop off social media due to shame/depression for a while.
Exactly.

If this happened to most people, they wouldn't have the energy/desire to keep tweeting Star Wars fan nonsense while such a traumatic/life-changing/humiliating event is occurring.

But who knows... I guess if you're twisted enough to steal tips, you are twisted enough to keep tweeting frivolous crap as if nothing has happened to you.
01-09-2014 , 04:47 AM
I will say that I am surprised that none of his many friends in poker have come out to say that it isn't true.

That actually makes me think there's something to this story. So hard to decide on this one. I will say that the post on Local 2121 is pretty damn authentic-looking. For example, they mention 3 people who handled the matter -- an unusual and unlikely-to-fabricate detail that wouldn't typically be part of a made-up story.
01-09-2014 , 04:52 AM
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Originally Posted by jh12547
Could it be possible that if it was him and he was granted AR that he figured it may not get out to the poker world.
He also tweeted to everyone that Mike "Little Man" Sica had died almost immediately when I know for a fact that his family didn't want it made public so soon.

I was shocked and disappointed about that tweet actually and so were members of his family.
01-09-2014 , 06:54 AM
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Originally Posted by Kilowatt
I will say that I am surprised that none of his many friends in poker have come out to say that it isn't true.

That actually makes me think there's something to this story. So hard to decide on this one. I will say that the post on Local 2121 is pretty damn authentic-looking. For example, they mention 3 people who handled the matter -- an unusual and unlikely-to-fabricate detail that wouldn't typically be part of a made-up story.
Few people on Twitter who I believe are friends with him confirmed it was true.
01-09-2014 , 07:20 AM
Kilo, I think him finding out ****'s about to hit the fan and going MIA is a lot more likely than this being a smear campaign planned around a social media vacation. Esp given his contacts in the scene and that FB post.
01-09-2014 , 07:40 AM
Wow. If this is true, and he did it on all three dates mentioned, it's safe to assume he has done this regularly over the years. Who knows how many k's he's ripped off from the dealers.
****ing scumbag (*if true)
01-09-2014 , 07:55 AM
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Originally Posted by ChicagoRy
Also seems a bit premature for the facebook post. It sounds like this case is ongoing, why on earth would they say "if we see he's stolen another day we'll let the prosecutor know."
what i got out of that was roughly that if it was a one-time thing he would be eligible for the one time free pass deal. however, it seems like there may be the possibility it occurred on multiple occasions. meaning if they can prove theft on the other occasion(s) there will be some other real consequences/they don't want to see him just get off with no trouble.
01-09-2014 , 08:36 AM
i don't know Jay personally, but i only heard good things about him. Still you never can be sure, that he didn't do it.

But still if he did it, there can be an explanation for it. ppl can get into serious situations, that let them do desperate things.

anyway: innocent until proven guilty (and no, the FB posting isn't a proof imo), so @ Mods: the thread/jay deserves a question-mark

@ Todd/Dan/Kilo ... seriously ... you and your f-ing timeline evidence
01-09-2014 , 08:43 AM
Another "nice guy" in poker turns out to be a scum bag. Shocking.
01-09-2014 , 08:47 AM
It would be extremely difficult to steal money from the tournament dealers at Foxwoods. As others mentioned, this money is not clipped to the table, dealers don't travel around with it. At Foxwoods, there is a spot on the wall (behind the tournament director's desk) where a glass enclosure is hanging. This glass enclosure is locked, and there is only a slit at the top large enough to slide a couple of bills in. This would mean that Jay would need the key to open the enclosure, reach inside, pull out the money, close it, lock it, all while in the plain view of not only the entire poker room but also the cashiers cage. Not sure how he could do this, but that's what it would take to steal money from the tournament dealers.
01-09-2014 , 08:49 AM
Pretty ****ing sad... But completely possible... and if someone is caught on tape...
confesses.. its damning.
Degen gambling is a bad thing. People steal all the time.
It's part of poker. It's part of life.
Your human. Change!
Remember it the next time, something you own goes missing.
01-09-2014 , 08:49 AM
People are tweeting at him to explain on Twitter. For somebody so into social media, you think he would address it if it wasn't true.
01-09-2014 , 08:50 AM
I was recently at a FT at Foxwoods and specifically remember Jay suggesting that we take care of the dealers and leave tips in the box clipped to the table
01-09-2014 , 09:09 AM
I have personally spoke to a few of the dealers at Foxwoods who have confirmed this taking place, as well as a lady who is in the union.

As for reasoning behind it, I have no idea. Maybe he just wanted extra money for the holiday? Maybe he was in a jam?

I'm curious to see how he approaches explaining this. A part of me hopes it's all a big misunderstanding, but the odds are starting to stack against that possibility.
01-09-2014 , 09:16 AM
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Originally Posted by Buffjobx
Nobody who can operate a camera or write a blog would be stupid enough to steal $700 from a casino. Hell, nobody employed at all should be stupid enough to steal $700. IF you're gonna steal something infront of a billion cameras at least make it worth more than a new iphone.
maybe there is no central registration for how much money there is untill the final count. And he was banking on nobody noticing a crime was commited so nobody was gonna check the tapes.
01-09-2014 , 09:22 AM
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Originally Posted by MakeBelieve
maybe there is no central registration for how much money there is untill the final count. And he was banking on nobody noticing a crime was commited so nobody was gonna check the tapes.
Also, the table jay works at usually is tucked up against the wall. Not completely out of the way of the cameras but definitely not where he's in the center of the attention.

The tournament area is also segregated from the poker room, where the cash games are played (tournament upstairs next to race brook, poker room downstairs) . This being said, there is a very good chance the tournament area doesn't get nearly the amount of attention it should from security.

Foxwoods is a huge casino and there is always a lot going on there. Wouldn't be surprised if the area with zero cash value chips was watched over with a blind eye.
01-09-2014 , 09:36 AM
Heard many stories about stacks being stolen and other mishaps occurring in the Foxwoods poker room and the cameras involved never seemed to be on/working at the time. He was probably taking that into account.
01-09-2014 , 09:56 AM
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Originally Posted by SrslySirius
This, plus the lack of common sense one must possess to do such a thing, makes me skeptical.

I also consider Jay a good friend of mine. Perhaps I've demonstrated a poor judgement of character in the past, but I'd be shocked if this was true. Jay stealing from a dealer's tip jar? No ****ing way. I'd bet money against it.
We live in unusual time.

We have someone on the first page say he is good friends with the person in question.

It it was me, I'd pick up the phone and ask him if it was true. We could quickly end the speculation and address the issue head on.

Instead we post endlessly, send tweets and debate the validity of the Facebook post.

This is not an indictment on SrslySirius but how we as society handle situations like this – letting them more often than not spiral out of control.

A quick answer would take all the oxygen out of the thread and end the speculation.

Jay could come into the thread and say: No, it's not true. Or Yes, unfortunately it is true. He then can offer up an apology and explanation.

If my reputation was getting thrashed, I would want to be alerted to it as soon as possible so I could handle situation head on.
01-09-2014 , 10:33 AM
Jay, say it isn't so.

Jay is one of those rare guys in the poker world who has gained a great deal of trust and respect from this writer and probably 100 others who he has met at the tournaments over the years . The type of guy you would gift cash with no questions asked if he were in a jam.

This seems so out of character that it's just a matter of time before someone lets us in on the joke. Seems to be a great first episode for a new internet based social media reality series:

"iPunked"

Jay, say it isn't so.

      
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