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02-14-2012, 09:22 PM
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Carpal \'Tunnel
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Re: Jason Somerville blog 'Real Talk' - first openly gay high profile male poker player
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Originally Posted by SGT RJ
Yeah, because bigots never travel.
You seem pretty ignorant about the risks the LGB community faces. How long you stay ignorant is up to you.
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Because, now that he's out, people are going to travel and attack him? If not what was the point of mentioning that?
Also you seem to over state how much anti-gay violence actually happens. Not to say it doesn't happen, but to assume, infer, imply w/e that it's a risk is overblown imo.
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02-14-2012, 09:25 PM
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old hand
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Re: Jason Somerville blog 'Real Talk' - first openly gay high profile male poker player
Go Get It, imagine you walked into a random poker room with a dozen full tables and asked people to raise their hands if they support gay marriage. I think you'll see a huge discrepancy between the number of hands raised (which I would estimate would be close to zero in most rooms) and the number of people who in reality support (or perhaps more appropriately phrased don't oppose) gay marriage but are still worried about how they'll be perceived if they support anything gay. That's why threads like this are important. We have a long ways to go as a society. While it's true that supporting gay marriage is not synonymous with supporting homosexuality, I think you get the point.
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02-14-2012, 09:25 PM
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Worships space elves
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Re: Jason Somerville blog 'Real Talk' - first openly gay high profile male poker player
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Originally Posted by Go Get It
Because, now that he's out, people are going to travel and attack him? If not what was the point of mentioning that?
Also you seem to over state how much anti-gay violence actually happens.
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Originally Posted by Jack&MarkGetBusy!
@ people arguing with Go Get It. its kinda useless imo. I don't think he'll ever get it. I really don't blame him though.
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Yeah, that's obvious now. Still, seems logical to try. People can change.
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02-14-2012, 09:26 PM
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Pooh-Bah
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Re: Jason Somerville blog 'Real Talk' - first openly gay high profile male poker player
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Originally Posted by Mike Johnson
well known male poker pros do this, ummm, never, until now. If you don't think it required any courage on his behalf, you're welcome to that opinion. I happen to think it was very courageous considering it hasn't been done in the poker world even once until today. Hence the respect.
If Jason himself didn't think it was important he wouldn't have written a lengthy blog about it.
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+1... not many have had the courage to do this... our community seems to be more homophobic than almost any other profession I can think of... Mad respect to Jason for doing this (and I don't even know him personally)...
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02-14-2012, 09:27 PM
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Carpal \'Tunnel
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Re: Jason Somerville blog 'Real Talk' - first openly gay high profile male poker player
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Originally Posted by karamazonk
Go Get It, imagine you walked into a random poker room with a dozen full tables and asked people to raise their hands if they support gay marriage. I think you'll see a huge discrepancy between the number of hands raised (which I would estimate would be close to zero in most rooms) and the number of people who in reality support (or perhaps more appropriately phrased don't oppose) gay marriage but are still worried about how they'll be perceived if they support anything gay. That's why threads like this are important. We have a long ways to go as a society.
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Gay marriage is one thing. I agree that most in a card room would prolly take an anti gay marriage stance. But he didn't write the blog about gay marriage.
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02-14-2012, 09:34 PM
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Worships space elves
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Re: Jason Somerville blog 'Real Talk' - first openly gay high profile male poker player
I posted this in the TWSS LGBT thread, which explains more clearly (because I quote a text) why discrimination and verbal attacks constitute a threat: http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/sh...8&postcount=82
There's courage in coming out less in the risk of physical violence (although, again, this does happen, and while relatively rare it's more frequent then most people would think) and more in opening yourself up to the small daily slurs that some people think are fine to throw around.
Society in general is improving (slowly), but is still remarkable heterosexist. Identifying yourself as a belittled minority, especially one that you COULD hide, takes courage that many don't acknowledge or understand.
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02-14-2012, 09:36 PM
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Carpal \'Tunnel
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Re: Jason Somerville blog 'Real Talk' - first openly gay high profile male poker player
Go Get It what are you hoping to achieve by tarding up this thread?
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02-14-2012, 09:38 PM
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Re: Jason Somerville blog 'Real Talk' - first openly gay high profile male poker player
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Originally Posted by Go Get It
jfc, if you think I'm generalizing his position with that of people in the retarded counties of Mississippi you're wrong. If he was doing this in high school in Alabama he would probably run some risk. He, however, runs almost no risk at all of even being criticized let alone face actual harm.
I don't know why you think all thins that happen to kids in one place represent what goes on everywhere. The guy clearly runs no risk of harm.
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Its so easy to talk like this when your not gay. Homophobia is insanely strong in the world today, in all society's. This makes some people have a very difficult time accepting themselves/coming out because it just isn't that easy. Mbn to live in your fairy tale world.
Besides you are missing the point of this thread. He is the first high profile male poker player to publicly come out as a gay person. What is wrong with congratulating him for it? Surely there is at least one other male well known gay poker pro out there.
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02-14-2012, 09:44 PM
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Carpal \'Tunnel
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Re: Jason Somerville blog 'Real Talk' - first openly gay high profile male poker player
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Originally Posted by SGT RJ
I posted this in the TWSS LGBT thread, which explains more clearly (because I quote a text) why discrimination and verbal attacks constitute a threat: http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/sh...8&postcount=82
There's courage in coming out less in the risk of physical violence (although, again, this does happen, and while relatively rare it's more frequent then most people would think) and more in opening yourself up to the small daily slurs that some people think are fine to throw around.
Society in general is improving (slowly), but is still remarkable heterosexist. Identifying yourself as a belittled minority, especially one that you COULD hide, takes courage that many don't acknowledge or understand.
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Originally Posted by kolotoure
Go Get It what are you hoping to achieve by tarding up this thread?
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Originally Posted by Breanne1
Its so easy to talk like this when your not gay. Homophobia is insanely strong in the world today, in all society's. This makes some people have a very difficult time accepting themselves/coming out because it just isn't that easy. Mbn to live in your fairy tale world.
Besides you are missing the point of this thread. He is the first high profile male poker player to publicly come out as a gay person. What is wrong with congratulating him for it? Surely there is at least one other male well known gay poker pro out there.
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Meh, to each his own. If he or others think it's a big deal it's certainly his or their right to think so. I happen to think it's not a huge deal that someone comes out in this day in age.
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02-14-2012, 09:45 PM
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Re: Jason Somerville blog 'Real Talk' - first openly gay high profile male poker player
Much respect. Despite what ignorant posters say, it's definitely not easy and impossible to understand unless you're the one actually doing it.
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02-14-2012, 09:49 PM
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old hand
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Re: Jason Somerville blog 'Real Talk' - first openly gay high profile male poker player
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Originally Posted by Keyser.
weird, a long time ago (~7 years probably) when I was first getting into poker, someone I know who reads SomethingAwful linked me to a video of jcarver playing online and commentating. He said the f-ggot word like 100 times in 30 minutes. Was kinda annoyed by it at the time when I was in PC mode. I guess it's kinda standard though for a closeted gay to act that way.
didn't mean for this post to be negative.  Cool blog and GL
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I think I remember the video you're talking about and I think you're reading way too much into that.
Last edited by SGT RJ; 02-14-2012 at 09:53 PM.
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02-14-2012, 09:50 PM
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See my coaching listing
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Re: Jason Somerville blog 'Real Talk' - first openly gay high profile male poker player
Much respect for coming out dude, SERIOUSLY. I for one don't give a **** who u like to have sex with.
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02-14-2012, 09:51 PM
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Re: Jason Somerville blog 'Real Talk' - first openly gay high profile male poker player
I have always supported a man's right to choose to be gay.
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02-14-2012, 10:05 PM
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Carpal \'Tunnel
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Re: Jason Somerville blog 'Real Talk' - first openly gay high profile male poker player
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Originally Posted by Go Get It
Meh, to each his own. If he or others think it's a big deal it's certainly his or their right to think so. I happen to think it's not a huge deal that someone comes out in this day in age.
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You seem to be quite ignorant. See my earlier post.
There are almost zero openly gay homosexual athletes currently. Isn't that unbelievable? As I stated before it shouldn't be a big deal at all, but it is. That's the society we still live in. You seem to be completely unaware of it.
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02-14-2012, 10:09 PM
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Carpal \'Tunnel
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Re: Jason Somerville blog 'Real Talk' - first openly gay high profile male poker player
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Originally Posted by Ra_Z_Boy
Hopefully this help the other gay poker players out there to come out as well. Seriously, it's fine that you are gay. This is 2012. We should be able to cope as a society with this by now.
For example it kinda makes me sick that there has only been one openly homosexual footballer in the last 20 years, and he ended up tragically committing suicide. It needs people to just come out and let the public and everyone get used to it to break the cycle. There are thousands out there and a great many of them must be tortured.
Let's get rid of this 'taboo' once and for all.
Kudos Jason for finally doing what you must have been wanting to for a very long time. We should all be glad you did.
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