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Old 02-26-2017, 09:50 PM   #151
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Re: Jason Mercier spreads unfounded cheating accusations

Seems pretty clear that OP should be more than willing to take JM up on his invitation to play live for 1k$/point. Adjusting to live play in exchange for playing that high with a big edge doesn't seem too much to ask for...

If this match never happens, it at least seems somewhat suspicious
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Old 02-26-2017, 10:11 PM   #152
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Old 02-26-2017, 10:18 PM   #153
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Re: Jason Mercier spreads unfounded cheating accusations

Looking to bet on OPs side in Bobbys room. $25/point
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Old 02-26-2017, 10:20 PM   #154
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Old 02-26-2017, 10:38 PM   #155
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Why is this interesting? He's clearly using charts to help his play if he isn't very good live. There's no TOS to be broken, it's one side thinking unwritten rules exist that don't.

The enforceability of this gambling debt might be tough if jurisdiction isn't somewhere where you can collect, so it does work both ways. The question is whether Jason wants to risk damaging his reputation even more than it already has in this thread, which really sucks, because he's one of the most honest guys in poker.
Did you even read the thread? Jason has never played the op and there's not any owed debt. It was Natasha who has played him and he's been paid what he won. That was never the issue.
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Old 02-26-2017, 10:39 PM   #156
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Did you even read the thread? Jason has never played the op and there's not any owed debt. It was Natasha who has played him and he's been paid what he won. That was never the issue.
I read whole thing, and obviously misread. I stand corrected.
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Old 02-26-2017, 10:43 PM   #157
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Re: Jason Mercier spreads unfounded cheating accusations

What's a standard swing points wise in a live session?
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Old 02-26-2017, 11:30 PM   #158
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Re: Jason Mercier spreads unfounded cheating accusations

why don't they just play on a different app they decide on when they meet up live, surely op couldn't get ANOTHER man on the inside changing the dealt cards right jason?

also can op afford 1k/pt? seems like an attempt to big league, if i beat some bad regs bad wife at 2/4hu, they start spreading rumors and decide the way to clear my name is to play 50/100 live, do i just need to sell my car and play this guy bc his wife thinks i cheated?
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Old 02-26-2017, 11:42 PM   #159
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Seems pretty clear that OP should be more than willing to take JM up on his invitation to play live for 1k$/point. Adjusting to live play in exchange for playing that high with a big edge doesn't seem too much to ask for...

If this match never happens, it at least seems somewhat suspicious
or maybe op doesnt have a role for stakes that high? sounds like mercier is big timing him
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Old 02-26-2017, 11:49 PM   #160
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or maybe op doesnt have a role for stakes that high? sounds like mercier is big timing him
No.

OP was claiming Mercier refused to play him live.

Mercier is saying he is willing to play him live, "up to" 1k/point if OP desires, just not on that free app.

Mercier is calling bull**** on OP claiming he won't play him live. Mercier simply refuses to play him live on the app (which was what OP suggested) because he doesn't know if someone is unfairly controlling the card distribution on the app.
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Old 02-26-2017, 11:52 PM   #161
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Re: Jason Mercier spreads unfounded cheating accusations

I mean if the story about him putting AA88 in the middle for FL is true, it's pretty damning. It's approximately an equivalent of top online NL specialist mucking his flush to someone's tabled straight when playing for the first time live.
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Old 02-27-2017, 12:01 AM   #162
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I mean if the story about him putting AA88 in the middle for FL is true, it's pretty damning. It's approximately an equivalent of top online NL specialist mucking his flush to someone's tabled straight when playing for the first time live.
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Old 02-27-2017, 12:19 AM   #163
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that's pretty amazing I'll give you that, the only difference is jungleman would play nearly anyone live hu and op reportedly avoids live action like plague
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Old 02-27-2017, 01:26 AM   #164
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Easy solution - buy two brand new iPhones. Unpack them and download app at table live. Create new usernames chosen by the other person. How is someone going to compromise the software in that scenario? At $100/pt+ the cost of a couple new phones is nothing
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Old 02-27-2017, 01:38 AM   #165
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Easy solution - buy two brand new iPhones. Unpack them and download app at table live. Create new usernames chosen by the other person. How is someone going to compromise the software in that scenario? At $100/pt+ the cost of a couple new phones is nothing
That's very naive, and I'm sure that some readers of this thread could describe multiple methods. But we're not going to.

You would have to be a fool to play one of these two via software.

The match needs to be live.
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Old 02-27-2017, 01:42 AM   #166
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That's very naive, and I'm sure that some readers of this thread could describe multiple methods. But we're not going to.

You would have to be a fool to play one of these two via software.

The match needs to be live.
Read my post again. I said to do it at a live game. If you can cheat with brand new accounts on the software with the person sitting right next to you that would be pretty impressive.
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Old 02-27-2017, 01:44 AM   #167
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Read my post again. I said to do it at a live game.
he's saying buying new ones and opening at the table isn't the fix.....the app isn't safe
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Old 02-27-2017, 01:51 AM   #168
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he's saying buying new ones and opening at the table isn't the fix.....the app isn't safe
Alternate app and live game. Playing heads up live is meaningless really and doesn't prove anything unless OP shows up and literally has no clue what he's doing. Sample size playing live will forever be too small to prove anything one way or the other. Even someone relatively new to the game can develop some half decent strategy in a short period of time and lolvariance
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Old 02-27-2017, 02:18 AM   #169
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Re: Jason Mercier spreads unfounded cheating accusations

I now propose a new LIVE challenge to Jason where we play a minimum of 2.5k hands (fantasy lands considered extensional to each hand, meaning that fantasy lands will not be considered a new hand and position will be kept) at a minimum of $100/pt with a $20k buyout clause. The 20k buyout clause would be escrowed to someone reputable upon agreement of the live challenge.

In order to play him at 100/pt or higher I will be selling some action since the variance in OFC is so huge. A general recommendation is to have 5000*stakes/pt bankroll.

I am willing to play live, but I prefer the app for the following obvious reasons:
1. We can get in hand volume MUCH faster on the app
2. The absence of rake
3. Points are automatically logged in the app
4. There are never any card dealing mistakes made by the software (such as an extra card being dealt in a pull or in fantasy land)
5. In OFC, cards such as pairs, trips, or suited cards get grouped together, and very good shuffling is necessary to replicate a truly random distribution for the next hand (because of this, should the live challenge occur, we MUST have a shuffling machine and the dealer must wash the deck every hand)

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I will never play OP on any app or computer in pineapple.

Whether we switch devices or play in front of one another

What u guys do not understand, is that if the app is compromised / manipulable... All u would have to have is one person on a computer (anywhere in the world) controlling who gets what cards while we sit in front of one another playing on the app
One solution would be for him to get me a device with a new account on it. While playing on the app, the username is not shown unless you click on your profile picture to see your stats. As long as I don’t click that, there would be no way for me to know what the username is and then communicate it to a hacker on the other side of the world. Furthermore, if my play is recorded that can be proof of me never clicking on the profile picture. Although this sounds somewhat ridiculous and extreme, this would add the ability to play at a much faster pace and put in an even larger volume of hands.

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Old 02-27-2017, 02:31 AM   #170
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Alternate app and live game. Playing heads up live is meaningless really and doesn't prove anything unless OP shows up and literally has no clue what he's doing. Sample size playing live will forever be too small to prove anything one way or the other. Even someone relatively new to the game can develop some half decent strategy in a short period of time and lolvariance
The security problem is much more complicated than you think it is ... You should stop now, but you probably won't.

No matter. Jason gets it, and he won't be exposing himself to cheating.

Hopefully we'll see a live match.
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Old 02-27-2017, 02:42 AM   #171
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The security problem is much more complicated than you think it is ... You should stop now, but you probably won't.

No matter. Jason gets it, and he won't be exposing himself to cheating.

Hopefully we'll see a live match.
Enlighten me? I would also be interested in results if they play live.
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Old 02-27-2017, 02:49 AM   #172
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>minimum $100/point
>have to sell action bc not rolled

wut
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Old 02-27-2017, 03:25 AM   #173
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Mercier says he won't play OP on app for reasons he stated. OP continues to push bet and play on the app...

Just play him live if you are so confident in your OFC game.
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Old 02-27-2017, 03:48 AM   #174
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Enlighten me?
Yeah good point man, Jason should play on the app he believes to be compromised, against and at the suggestion of the person he believes to have compromised it, instead of forgoing the risk and simply not doing any of that.

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Old 02-27-2017, 04:24 AM   #175
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...then play on a different app
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