but how much is he down after 17mm in cashes? probably bought into 50mm worth of tourneys. he's just spending that oil money that daddy left him. everybody knows that.
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i remember playing JM before he was poker famous under the account treysfull21 on pokerstars in $60 SnGs back in '06. He was pretty good.

So is this match taking place or not?

Just a little perspective,

I'm currently being accused of using a "simulator" or some sorts on the Pineapple Ap by someone. I have run very well on this guy the last few rounds. He's telling me I'm making hands with 8% equity "too much" for me not to be using a simulator. I'm literally playing on my phone at work and in my car, I don't know how to use a simulator, and I just started playing for money on this application for fun. It seems this is the problem with these type of things' if someone wins at an exceedingly higher rate "than normal" for even a small amount of time, they get accused of cheating. It seems like you need to make sure you win at a "normal pace" or risk being called a cheater. There needs to be something in place that can be used to prove your innoence or prove someone's guilt.

Fernando is incredibly understanding of the Mercier’s behavior and perspective and as a result he hasn't spoken in an attacking tone and has chosen not to reveal some information. Many of you probably know it is not my natural inclination to be "understanding" when people are acting like pricks.

Fernando thought that once we presented all the information that we have itt it would be clear that we are not cheating. This has not been the case as some people are still unsure. Most importantly, the Merciers have shown that they are not willing to reconsider this issue despite ANY new evidence and that they are also not concerned with the consequences of this. It is hard to imagine people with egos as big as theirs capable of contemplating “Hey! Maybe we were WRONG and caused Fernando and Jaclynn a great deal of problems.” In this post, I will cover many details that have yet to be disclosed and are quite relevant to understanding the behavior and character of the Merciers.

Recently, Fernando made an attempt to rectify the situation by reaching out to Natasha and Jason directly:



They ignored the message.

Here is a post titled "OFC Scam By Natasha Barbour" that I found from a cached site with a 2+2 thread that was deleted:


In the end the matter got resolved by Natasha or Jason paying the debt owed, therefore the thread was deleted by the OP.

Interesting to note that someone in this same thread posted

“It's quite common knowledge that she free-rolled numerous people on the OFC APP in the Sarasota/Tampa area, so we can also assume she free-rolled people that were not local. As far as I know, she paid back some, but not all of these debts after her score over the summer. Additionally, she held funds in escrow (at least $15k) for a poker league and the money disappeared. The guy that she left ended up settling the debt for her. I think she has proven enough to us, at least on the local level that she is not to be trusted
“

I spoke with 3 Tampa friends who have confirmed this. It seems to be common knowledge amongst the Tampa OFC scene that before she had a big tournament score and got into a relationship with Jason she was difficult to impossible to collect from.

Some things Fernando left out: when Fernando and Natasha started playing their initial agreement was to settle every 6K, beginning in 2015. Once Fernando reached 6K, Natasha told him she was out of the country and would settle weeks later once she got back. When Natasha returned the debt was now over 10k and Natasha again changed the agreement, telling Fernando she would settle weeks later at the PCA. The PCA comes, Fernando meets Natasha and she informs him that she does not have the money, and suggests they play live. As we know, Fernando agreed to play her live at the PCA in game formats had never even played before. He felt confident it would eventually get settled because of who she was dating. An OFC professional then saw them playing live and warned Fernando not to play Natasha, explaining she was getting a big edge by not shuffling enough when she went to Fantasy Land. Shuffling and washing are essential when in land as it’s important to separate all the strong hands that have been put together while playing. Additionally, Fernando noticed and corrected that Natasha was making mistakes when counting points in her favor. Only two or three out of 20+ lifetime times Natasha miscounted were in Fernando’s favor.

A close friend of mine who is quite well known in poker told me essentially an identical story. It took him about a year to collect from Natasha and she changed the settle figure and timing repeatedly.

Let's remember and appreciate that Natasha’s first accusation of Fernando cheating occurred at the PCA when she owed him signifiant money.

Before finally paying Fernando, she tried to negotiate with him:





Why does it seem that I am focusing on Natasha and not on Jason? Because Jason just regurgitates most of what Natasha tells him in regards to Fernando and myself as he has watched Fernando play about 5-10 hands live and never played a single hand versus either of us


To review another important point, Jungleman posts:

Fernando would love the opportunity to play Jason live and has had several people contacting him offering to invest, but it's hard to set parameters with an investor when your opponent will not agree to parameters of a match and is clearly not that interested in playing because he wants to play nosebleeds and does not realize that the person’s reputations he tarnished is what is at stake.

I would also be willing to play either of them live with hole cards filmed, as I've stated before.


GG

**** just got real

Gosh, thanks for clearing that up.

lol just saw this before passing out and just wanted to say that kuhns89 is a v good friend of mine, i've known him for years (since grinding plo8 in the streets way back when), we kick it every WSOP and he's a standup guy- i trust that anything he writes about stuff like this (and specifically in the quoted, now-deleted post) is 100% accurate.

natasha confirmed untrustworthy

Nice! action is back itt ;0

Natasha looks really bad with the info put out here..

So wait, Jason spreads completely unconfirmed cheating rumors on a couple of people, they try to be amicable agreeing to basically everything he asks for to clear their name all the while withholding info on his wife because in the poker world your rep means a ton and they don't want to be bastards.

Jason won't agree to play at all so Jaclynn, basically at wits end, post pretty damming proof that Natasha tried to angle Fernando into settling a $30K+ debt for pennies after agreeing to pay him multiple times and then changing the agreement on the fly, allegedly, and not paying him because, you know, cheating.

What a ****ing joke.

When it comes to owing $, you either are trustworthy or not. Someone trustworthy would not change agreements and try to get discounts. It is black and white; no gray here.

Oh, but he did. Very early on in this thread he challenged Fernando to play him live in Las Vegas for up to 1,000/point. That's right; for those who haven't been reading since the beginning or may have forgotten, it was Jason that first issued the live challenge, not Fernando.

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/sh...&postcount=132


However, when Fernando agreed to take Jason up on his offer (suggesting that they play in either LV of Florida), and said that he could play as high as 100/point, Jason's reply was basically...oh, I'm sorry, I can't waste my time playing anything under 200/point. So he issued a challenge for them to play live, but when Fernando agreed, he all of a sudden couldn't waste his time playing at stakes Fernando could afford.

That's really a bull**** move there. Call the guy a cheater, challenge him to play you live to clear his name, and then withdraw the offer and continue to tell all your friends that you still think he cheats somehow and some way.

Yep.

two nvg scandals in 8 posts is pretty strong.

Just for clarity she didn't try to get him to settle for pennies on the dollar. She tried to (sketchily) get him to retroactively agree to give her a discount on losses and wipe away the last 6kish she owed him. What she did was still sketchy, but a little less so than trying to get him to settle for 6k of a 30k debt for no reason.

Honestly this type of stuff has been posted about Natasha before so none of it should be that big a surprise. It doesn't really change anything about this exact situation. It's wrong for the merciers to refuse to change their opinion no matter what, but ultimately you can't stop someone from giving their opinion of you to their friends and Jason still doesn't owe Fernando a match.

JM is going to rue the day he met someone as shady as NB. That's going to end in a bitter divorce. I can almost guarantee it.

What does a cheater call another cheater? Cheater.

how is dragging Natasha through the mud going to get you action against Jason, or anyone for that matter? LMAO

Whoever may be in the right or wrong here, or semi-right/semi-wrong, this thread nicely sums up the (not so) wonderful world of poker and irregulated gambling and demonstrates why poker will never be respected as a profession, however much people inside the game are "trying to build the game" and promote it as a sport.

It is, always has been, and always will be on the fringes of vice and immorality...... but I still like it, so I play it!

Don't think that's the point. This could be part of the reasoning behind why JM made the allegations in the first place. Has he ever actually played Fernando on the app or otherwise? Or is he just going by what his wife told him? Similar to the reason originally given to not pay IPS in full, even though its BS.

its character evidence, your Honour

the hu match would be fun, but really wouldn't prove too much as the underdog would have a really good chance to claw his way to a win.

furthermore, it seems that fernando is just chasing his tail. as he pointed out in his video, its impossible to prove that you're not a cheat.

but since jason tried to mark his territory by urinating on fernando's reputation, i am thoroughly enjoying jaclynn throwing a bone to the NVG crowd and posting some unflattering details about natasha. live poker is a dog eat dog kinda world.

Much like the Marc Klang/Zima thread, these stories make me want to stay as far away as possible from gambling for any kind of significant stakes. I'll stick to my mid-stakes MTT's thanks.

Makes me want to stay away from Florida.

That's the real jungleman? I never knew.

I know the people involved live in separate countries, so aren't bound by legal constraints, but I am both intrigued and puzzled - if hypothetically both were American, so bound by the same laws, and Mercier had privately accused Fernando of cheating, and no proof of this were provided, would Fernando be able to sue Mercier for slander and/ or damages for loss of income, from people put off playing him?