Are you saying that after Jason decided to stake you, which requires some level of trust, he then immediately accused you of stealing after your first losing session, even though you were the one trying to protect him by telling others to stop stealing from him? Maybe I’m misinterpreting or missing something as this seems hard to believe, can you please provide more details?

LOL that last comment was gold! You made me laugh

Maybe you should have thought about this before you dragged her into this in your original post.

It's clear that you started this thread for attention and to get yourself better known (congrats, it worked), and probably with the intention to line up a game with Mercier. He doesn't seem to give a rat's ass about you or in playing you, so move on and let it go.

I like your idea a lot. I want to add that OFC is not a game of exploitation. Game theory optimal play will always lead to the highest EV play. I am willing to play various opponents, but considering that the Palm Beach Kennel Club Is willing to host and stream a match between Natasha and I, it might be better if I play Natasha in that setting.

Legitimately curious, is it correct that OFC is not a game of exploitation? For instance, I play the stupid Double Bot and Mighty Bot some. They love to make flushes (in a way that's clearly sub-optimal). When I play them, I'm more likely to go for an ace-high flush on the bottom, because there's a reasonable likelihood that we both have a flush on the bottom and I want mine to be good.

In other words, say I got dealt something like AhJsTh7h4h, against the bots I'd be more apt to put all 4 hearts on the bottom. Against a live player I'd be more likely to put the Ah on top or middle and go for FL, because on the bottom I'm less likely to be beaten by a bigger flush, and more likely to be beaten by a full house.

Note, I'm an OFC fish, so it's probably the case that my sets in both examples are wrong, I'm just illuminating the point.

And since I bothered to post in this thread, I'll also say that there doesn't seem to be much evidence that OP is cheating, but no one owes him action.

I liked sagedonkey's post a lot, where he was saying play live against a range of players to show the real ability.

It looks as though for now solid proof will have to take second place to circumstantial evidence, as anyone knowing Fernando's ways of getting an unfair advantage will keep the info to themselves to exploit as well.

But if the below $5 a point results were presented on a graph, it would be unbelievably successful, as even fish win sometimes, yet Fernando claims to have only lost once at low stakes....

Is he a cheater? If it looks like a duck, quacks like a duck and walks like a duck, it's a duck.

And if it looks like a busty blonde Professional Poker Player, Consultant Physician Scientist, it's deeply upset by these foul accusations against her astonishingly quick progress in online cards Jaclynn being modest.

forgive my ignorance but isn't Jason one of the best OFC players right now? Why the hell would you have confidence betting against him? it makes no sense.

Edges can still be significant amongst the top of the world in certain games. Not sure if OFC fits this category

Not only pointless, but Fernando is in a NO WIN situation:
1) He plays poorly, loses to Jason -> Cheater -> No future OFC action
2) He plays like a boss, crushes Jason -> GOAT -> No future OFC Action

Yeah, gotta protect all that great action he's undoubtedly drowning in lately.

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Assume someone is playing a GTO strategy, then all the decisions he makes is based on ALL the information directly available during a hand. Consequently, the GTO strategy of this player WILL depend on the way your opponent sets his cards, however, this does not make it an exploitive strategy. An example, suppose your opponent gets KK9 and plays KK top while having AsKsQsJsTs/TT8/9, and you have 334/6678/J5 and you get 22t. Then you must place 22 on the bottom because you almost never foul with two pair bottom and you get 6 points when your opponent fouls, which is very likely to occur. Had your opponent played 9 top and K middle then you must leave the bottom open because your only equity left would be from making a boat or quads in the bottom since you are getting scooped regardless of what you do. Here we are making two different decisions based on what our opponent is playing, but they are both GTO since they are based on all the information available. An exploitive strategy derives from assumptions of what an opponent’s strategy is and not from the information directly available during a hand. To visualize this in NL Holdem, imagine a game where everyone has their cards face up (ridiculous game I know). You’re playing heads up and have 5s3s on a JsTs2h. Your opponent has AhJd and shoves $1000 into a pot of $10. GTO dictates you should fold. Suppose your opponent bets $1 into the pot, then GTO dictates you should call. An exploitive strategy is derived from assumptions of how you think your opponent is playing his cards (unknown information), and since there is no unknown information (besides discarded cards, which does have a tiny effect on strategy if you are well aware of the distribution of discarded cards) OFC is not a game of exploitation. In other words, there exists no strategy that has a higher EV against any opponent other than GTO. Hope that made sense.

Because she believes Fernando would have an edge vs him live regardless, it's really that simple. She is simply expressing her confidence in him not being a cheat but rather an excellent OFC player.

I'm not saying OP is guilty of cheating or not because based on the arguments given in this thread it's simply impossible to know. If he was to play live vs Jason and win or at least show very skillful play over a somewhat meaningful sample , it would be a very reasonable argument agains OP cheating on the app. It's really that simple. OP, play live, the more the better, and your reputation will benefit from it.

Thank you, this is much more interesting to me than the cheating discussion

My point on GTO is say that I'm first to act and I'm dealt AJ943 all hearts. Normally, I'd put 4 hearts on the bottom, and the Ace up top (maybe that should be in the middle, I'm sure you'd know), because I assume I'll get dealt another heart at some point to make my flush, and in a vacuum I don't value having my flush on the bottom be ace-high. However, say I'm playing an opponent that I think tries to hard to make flushes on the bottom (like Double Bot and Mighty Bot on the app play). Now, even though my opponent hasn't set yet, I'm more inclined to play all 5 hearts on the bottom, to get an ace-high flush on the bottom and make it more likely I win the bottom v. a lower flush.

Edited to add - This also demonstrates to me that I never know where to put the ace in this type of situation. Do I put it up top for FL and hope to make two pair in the middle, or do I put it in the middle, hope to pair the ace and then get KK or QQ for FL? If the ace were a K or Q instead, I'd definitely put it up top.

I played Fernando a little at very small stakes ( I too was intimidated by his way of getting action, the things jason said, and him posting first). He gave me some advice on some hands, and, looking at some math it seems he actually does know what he's talking about. I personally don't think he's cheating because of this and think someone with their own stream on OFC that gives strategy away is not a likely cheater. That being said, I totally understand Jason's suspicions given his experience with Fernando are pretty reasonable. I also think that Fernando is in general better off clearing his name by playing live more. As others have pointed out, if his live results match online there is much less reason to be worried, and a thread like this might hurt his action on the app pretty badly. I guess on a positive note for him, probably a lot of people would still be willing to play him live as a result of this

If you're the real Jungleman, brilliant post. If you're not, terrible post.

Sorry, that's how it works around here.

unless you doubt I am the TRUE jungleman, I think you mean "luckily for you" instead of "sorry"

I'm sure many others know if you are or not but I genuinely do not.

What I said, tongue in cheek, is true to an extent though, in the same way that a signed oil painting masterpiece with provenance is worth millions but unsigned and with no provenance is firewood.

you, picking up a ming vase and saying, "I'm an expert, now let you me tell you how to spot a picasso."

Ask him if he is playing durrrr. If he is not, he is the real jungleman

Hmm, I like to be considered a world class artist. I guess I will post more often.

I've done some research into "jungleman"'s previous posts here on 2plus2 going back to the Full Tilt nose bleed stakes days........ and confirmed, this is the real Jungleman.

Yes it's legit junglemans account.

jungleman we'd love your input on PH's new story of TD winning 30m in 1 night in Macau and ballin in private jets.

It's funny, Mercier complains that Fernando is uncannily better with an app than playing live.

The same Mercier who is down $500,000 on Pokerstars, and has $17,000,000 in live cashes.

Using Mercier logic, with such a discrepancy, Mercier must be cheating at live poker!