confirmed lying piece of ****.

nice try though!

This post will be long and detailed addressing Jason’s questions and more.

I want to start by showing this video where I display all my past games on the app, and look at all the data from games at $5/pt or higher.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=qQBROVwUcUg

If there is anyone who I’ve played at $5/pt or higher on the app who was not mentioned, please call me out. For those who are curious about the stakes and how big OFC plays, a standard buy in is 200-400 points. 200 points can easily be lost in one hour of live play.
I will reiterate Jason.
Side note: I made a mistake and meant to put condemn and not condone.
I will give more details on this. In the gambling world, being known as a cheater is extremely problematic. If you are not a cheater, but people think you are because someone influential tells 20-30 people this then these 20-30 people will consider the notion you are a cheater. Then these 20-30 tell others, and all of the sudden your reputation and name is tarnished. We can easily see that your opinion had spread to a lot of people as even Jaclynn was being called a cheater publicly by her association with me. It’s ok to protect friends from a potential scammer, but if your opinion is incorrect, then the consequences are the aforementioned ones. With a stance of
You lower your chances of establishing a more objective opinion. I am trying to present all the information I possibly can to try to show I am not cheating.
Sure, first that document states:
“As an amateur computer scientist I comprehend that trying to translate one language into another one will be a very challenging task since the meanings of most words depend on the context surrounding them.” and “Java - Good understanding of basic programming skills. ( Took a college course in CS data structures and algorithms and passed the Advanced Placement Computer Science A exam.)”
The document reveals that I took a single college level course in computer science. This is correct. During high school I took one year of CS and passed the AP exam. During my stay at Stanford I did not take any other CS course. After high school I stopped coding with the slight exception of trying to learn the very basics of html on the internet. The relevancy of me having been a mathematics major is that OFC is just a branch of applied statistics. When making decisions in OFC one tries to maximize EV by contemplating all the possibilities and weighing the risk to reward ratios to try to make the highest EV decision. Often these decisions can be close and hard to figure out during in game play, but doing mathematical/statistical work can help a great deal in trying to discern the best decisions.
She lost 22675 on the app. This does not make you a liar, you just interpreted things incorrectly, this happens to all of us. After the PCA the first time I played Natasha was during march madness and we played for 1 session where we met by coincidence. We played for the little over 3k that I had on me that day. I lost it. She then made an agreement with a player we both know and gave me 2k on his behalf. I made a little bit back and gave her back the 2k. After march madness we played countless times at the WSOP and it was always on the side without chips, therefore I am not sure what you are referring to by saying that I repeatedly sat with 2k and then quit. I am sure you remember our very first session during WSOP as she lost 6k+ and you came and paid me. Also in the last session we had at the WSOP when I had to leave I went to you and collected the $3260 that she had lost. Moreover, I won in many of the other sessions with her during that summer. There is no way to prove that I am up on her overall but I can tell you that I’ve played Natasha 10+ times (maybe we have a different interpretation of few times) in Vegas and I am up on her live BARRING the PCA live results where we played game formats that I had never played before. These where the BDP variant (Badugi Deuce Pineapple) and spade multipliers, where if you play a 2 of spades the stakes double, 2 and 3 of spades triple, 234 of spades quadruple so on and so forth. BDP is a game that plays much bigger than pineapple (royalties are 3x in the middle and bottom) and the spade multipliers increases the stakes and the variance even more, which is the game where I lost the most as I had literally never played it before. On the other hand, Natasha at that point had beaten Shaun Deeb for considerable amounts in this BDP format so she probably had a big edge over me in that specific BDP game, which is not available on the app and I had never studied. To give an example of how big BDP plays and how dramatic the effect of spade multipliers are, here is a hand where Natasha won 225 points in one hand.
In regular pineapple winning 40 pts or more in one hand is huge and extremely unlikely to occur. The most you can make is 98 in one hand with royal/royal/999, which I have never seen happened. The spade multipliers also add a new layer of complexity as you always need to consider how your hand’s EV fares relative to your opponents hand’s EV (something that is irrelevant to consider while making decisions in regular pineapple) and weird difficult spots can occur. For example, a 2s might help your hand by pairing a deuce or filling a flush but you may not be sure if you should play it depending on the strength (EV) of your opponent’s hand.
I stand corrected in regards to us not playing that format during PCA. I want to add that during all of our Vegas sessions we were using that format so when I was considering a possible way of making that mistake the fantasy format in live play came to my mind. I literally do not remember such a hand occurring and thought that if it did it could have been because of that format. Undoubtedly, it is possible I made a very obvious mistake as you and I have done before.
I’m glad you enjoyed that part of the video, as it was my favorite part as well. Hopefully, you understood the deck was set up so that the cards I would be dealt were AA88Q, so dealing procedures such as shuffling and dealing in the right order were completely irrelevant as it was a joke.

"But then I realized that he's not doing the cheating. He's just taking advantage of a broken app."

Erm, he would be cheating.

One thing I will say - being accused of cheating when innocent is brutal. Just look at this thread and how people offhandedly mention Barry Greenstein's comments from a couple years ago but they don't know all the details and just take his speculation as gospel. At the time he accused Thomas Keller of cheating him and some of his "evidence" was saying he watched Thomas hit 30 flush draws in a row. Anyone that has gambled for a long time knows that someone running good looks like a magician. While Jason is allowed to do and say what he wants, he should have a little sympathy for the cost of being wrong. Years from now plenty of people will say "oh Fernando? Wasn't that the guy that cheated jason mercier on the ofc app?" And they won't even be trying to be mean or care, it's just the easy salacious cliffs notes that people will remember.

who cares?

why aren't you answering anything about what deebster wrote? do you know deebster personally as he claims? do you know about the exploit he pointed out?

Had some problem with the vid. Here is the working link
www.youtube.com/watch?v=q0_ItWPd5Yk

holy play live already or just shut up about this whole thing

christ sakes

How about you make a video telling us about your buddy Deebster? What do you think about his claims about being cheated by you through the apps exploit? Do you know this guy?

what about the deebster tho?!?1?!?1

dude your basically fooked getting action on the app.....to many red flags....the standford degree in computer/math doesnt help, you crush on the app and are average live,,,,apparently same as your friend jakyln

high stakes poker is like a fraternity....no one owes u action....u basically need to be invited in

if you want to play ofc for a living then chase the live games and crush everyone.....and even if you succeed you probably still wont see action on the app...

The murderer, holding the bloody murder weapon in his bloody hands, loudly protested his innocence.

Indeed, and their incentive not to correct errors may be there.

he took 1 cs class in high school. but im sure that's the same as a degree from stanford so dont worry

My apologies I didn't know you had seen his transcripts...I think it wouldn't be hard to find someone at Stanford who was majoring in some computer classes to help hack the app if he wanted tho

Although some NVG specialists have proven and confirmed my guilt beyond a reasonable doubt with a picture of a glitch occurring to both players while the app was going through updates (provided by a poker player I know from when I used to play poker in El Paso, who said "of course I don't think Fernando cheats," but also said "@JasonMercier let me know if you want more evidence that this app is indeed compromised I posted on 2+2 about this," but after watching my first video texted me "when are we going to vegas so I can invest my 10k on you,") I enjoy going against the well established and proven theory by showing all of my past games on the app and discussing results vs all opponents at $5 or higher.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=q0_ItWPd5Yk
Side note: besides specializing in OFC I also specialize on how to be loved by NVG. PM me for free coaching.
Non sarcastic side note: I hope I made at least one person laugh.

I don't get the "humor"? Seems like you're trying to deflect attention from the critical question? Cut the BS and tell us instead:


-Did you know about the flaw in the app that Deebster posted about?

From your video, "In all of my games under $5 a point I am up with the exception of one player"

In a game of skill and luck, this is impossible without some external reason.

In your effort to show your full results, you selectively claim to have only ever played 15 players for $5 or more.

You claim not to know what the cheating allegations against you are, yet you post on the two plus two news views gossip thread thread you started and contribute to, that very clearly says what they are, that you can see opponents hole cards.

I will also post this comment on the YouTube video thread, hope it doesn't get deleted as you are not an evasive cheat, are you?

Hell yeah I'll put up 10k on Fernando anyday. I never stated that he cheated in any of my posts. Just that I have several screenshots that the app is not perfect and can have errors like it did and maybe some won't be corrected for others.
Either way. I'm sure Fernando will be in Vegas soon.

Senor Deebster,
If someone played you with the ability to see your cards during a hand, and did not let you know this, so exploited the advantage that they have of using this extra information against you, would you consider you had been cheated? ("Cheat, verb, act dishonestly or unfairly in order to gain an advantage".)

after following this for 20 pages it seems that in reality there is actually no evidence for the cheating, nor is there any concrete idea for how the cheating would be taking place.

Looks like it centres around 3 points;

1) His results on the app are, by all accounts, statistically improbable. I have no idea personally how much so, but enough people seem to think that they are. I'm certainly not going too and I doubt anyone else could be bothered but if we were to find out exactly how improbable that might add something.

2) His performance in the live settings were complete parrelel to his app play in both his play with the cards, how "well" he played, how fast he played and just his general level of comfort in play. Along with his behaviour, on the app he plays anyone for long periods, offers to post etc whereas in live play he loses $2k and quits. Just the idea he would ever willingly leave an OFC game is kinda unusual after the way he is on the app.

3) Some background in Computer Programming.

I think point 3 has been largely discredited by people in that field here (?) point one is kinda not really a point without someone saying "This could only happy 1.3% of the time" (or some mathematically proven statement) and even if they did, we've seen people go on sick runs before.

Maybe he's the best, maybe he's just running insane hot, maybe the results aren't even that outrageous...

Point 2 is defo the weird part for me, Fernando comes across as a theoretically sound gambler, he knows the game, the BRM requirements, the possible swings etc all mathematically and alluded in a post where he explained why he wouldn't want to play +$100 a point that his BR was in the $500k region. Why he would quit a game vs an opponent he has a big winning history with after what is in context a very small loss is pretty weird. Seems like it's been missed over this point too.

Having said all that, there are loads of reasons. Perhaps he's lost loads earlier and felt tilted, maybe he was really tired, maybe he had dinner plans... Agree it's very strange, but you can't hang a man just because he left a poker game.


Seems to have reached a point where, Jason won't be changing his mind, and whereas I think he should avoid the word "cheating" and stick to simply saying that it feels weird to him and as a result he doesn't want to play fernando on the app, you cant begrudge him his opinion. I'm not saying that I wouldn't think it was a bit iffy if i got bashed up on the app and then played a virtually entirely different player live...but I think use of the word cheating here given the evidence is pretty much 0, is probably a bit out of line.

Playing him live for one day seems really pointless, can't actually see any way that it will help Fernando get app action, even if he is the best player int he world I'm sure it's not a great spot at very high stakes for him. Jason can't really be bothered and win/lose/draw i think the chance of him coming here and saying after "Nope, got it wrong, defo no cheating" are very, very slim.

Perhaps best move for Fernando is to reach out to the guys who run the app, see if they can confirm or even better PROVE there is no way that the app would have been compromised in the way that's suggested. Maybe if he's playing for reasonable money he offers to film himself everytime to show no BOT stuff is going on?

In reality, what is probably true here is this;

1. He is running pretty hot on the app.
2. He is a bit of a nit with BRM/Stop-Losses.
3. He isn't really that experienced at Live Poker, and finds it a bit intimidating.

10+years at gambling and none of these three, nor all three together seem that ridiculous, so of we're honest it's highly likely that,

4. He is not cheating.

5. He is cheating.

hey man, my opinions purely based on what i've read here, fire some proof in here and i'll be more than happy to change my mind.

It's a classic he said/she said, he said/he said, she said/she said, and she said/he said situation. Plenty of good reasons to believe he's cheating, and plenty of room for reasonable doubt.

Maybe you don't feel like OP cheated you by secretly taking advantage of a broken app. But other people whom OP did it to definitely feel cheated.

The key point is circumstantial evidence, which points towards guilt.

It is identical to Ivey's case, as that is entirely circumstantial too, but the evidence points towards Ivey knowing of the card flaw and exploiting that hidden cheating knowledge, just as the unfeasible success rate of St Fernando and his evasiveness on key questions points towards hidden cheating knowledge.

Odd how uncharacteristically silent Jaclynn Moskow is on this subject. I wonder how her records look, and how many players she loses to these days...

Thread needs more posters with single and double digit posts