This 100%. You called him out in public and Jason stated his side. His offer is more than fair and he owes you nothing. Given how often people lie, cheat, and steal when money is involved Jason is just being smart about protecting himself.

That public accusation was definitely a mistake. After responding, Jason really has no reason to participate further.

op needs to go to bellagio and play for $100 a point

I disagree. Jason said he'd play Fernando at "up to $1k/pt". If he'd just come in here and say what the minimum is that he'd play, then it'd be fair because Fernando has said he'd play to no response from Jason. Jason's being a little ***** not responding and being straight forward to Fernando or 2p2. I wouldn't mention 2p2 but he decided to post in here for information so the least he could do is offer an explanation why he's not taking Fernando up on an offer for playing live.

this would be fine if JM's reply was neutral, but he decided to act like a douche and be cocky. I'm not saying that JM is in the wrong here because OP did involve JM in public drama, so JM had grounds to be pissed. But now JM not responding to the live challenges offered by OP is kind of a pussy move after the posts he has made itt.

What did you expect from a bad reg.

first off... it sure seems like you are some sort of computer wiz... computer programmer, seemingly able to write java? , based off this post... which u haven't addressed at all. can u explain this? and why do u claim to be a mathematics major?


more importantly, none of my "points" had been or have been disproven... i see that u finally "attempted" to disprove them though

I don't know how to do the million separate quotes on here but ill try to address them in order

who's the person u are saying came on here and claimed they beat u? the one who won 200 points at 50 cents a point lol? was that the grocery store owner from mexico? also who are these "other people" who have beaten u supposedly?

"As stated before, barring the PCA I have beaten Natasha repeatedly in live play in Las Vegas."

- this is just a blatant lie... u beat natasha out of 19k on the app and she has beaten u for more than that back live... a lot of which was at the PCA, but she has mashed u live in vegas almost every session. the few times you played pineapple live in vegas with her, you would sit with 2k and lose it and then quit. doesn't sound like a "specialists" tendencies

"I do not know if I made that decision. In the case that I did, Natasha and I were playing in a format where the player in fantasy land would be able to see the opponents hand set out. If aa88 middle would allow me to scoop, then that would be the correct play, as the difference between winning one more row that gets you the scoop versus not winning it is 5 points."

- also a lie, you either have a bad memory, or just have no problem with lying.
this happened at the PCA, and you were not playing the format where the player in fantasy is able to view the persons hand before setting their land. in fact, that new rule, or format... had not even been invented or adapted yet when you and natasha were playing each other in PCA (jan 2016).


bottom line dude, you went public about this (i did not), i only responded because you put my name in the subject title.

its fully in my right, to warn people that are asking me about you, because you are harassing the entire community for action

i only stated my opinions in response, i have no hard evidence, just circumstantial, and you can continue posting as much as you want, my opinion will not change. the only thing this thread has done for me, is reaffirm my suspicions, especially finding out that you can write the same language (java) as the app- (which u didn't address)

i don't owe u any sort of match , and you being able to play live NOW (after 15 months of practice)... won't prove anything. I would happily play you live, minimum 200 point... this is the smallest I play live ofc regularly. I'm also not committing to any sort of match with you, I would play u when there isn't bigger action going. Also, Natasha will play u again live, at your stakes of 25 or 50, or 100 whatever. And she would play jaclyn live too... obviously

i literally do not care how u get your action dude, but I will continue to protect my friends who ask me from a potential scam

gl getting action though after outing yourself, and then making sure everyone knows you are a computer/math wizard

side note: my favorite part of your video is when you are running around the streets of mexico asking random people if they want to play ofc and then dealing yourself first off the deck. (thumbs up)

This offer to play live is a bit of a red herring, even if he wins the live challenge, how does it prove relaxursoul wasn't earlier cheating online?

And if relaxursould loses, how does it prove relaxursoul wasn't earlier cheating online?

I work in software industry as an information security specialist. In common language that reads: He has taken some basic course in programming. At least based on that he would not be capable of doing level of coding required to hack a software. Not unless he has after that focused heavily on programming.

If I have understood correctly, the app you guys are using is Pineapple! by Pineapple Games? I don't have much information about the company or the actual app but that much I know, that they have servers running the game.

This means that if one would want to cheat in the game he would somehow have to access and/or manipulate the servers. The app in the device only sends requests to the server, which does all the actual work and then send only information back to the device.

Programming skills don't help much since only source code you could access is the client side code found on the app.

On the other thread was mentioned that using DoS hacker would somehow be able to manipulate the server. DoS stands for Denial of Service and in practice it means that attacker sends so many requests to the server that it can't handle them anymore and service slows down or stops completely. It is really hard to see how one could accomplish server manipulation by this. Usually service just slows down.

In really harsh generalization there are two types of attacks mainly. Ones that brings the service down and ones where attacker can find backdoor to the system and gains access to information through database or files.

But of course anything is possible with computers and software. I would need to know in more detail how this app works to say how likely it is that it could be hacked.

So, what you're saying is there could be a chance he is cheating!

I'll give you a hint. It's not hacked. I took computer science courses in college too and I wouldn't know where to BEGIN with a hacking attempt like this. As you said, he'd have to somehow get access to the servers. Barring having someone on the inside (someone who literally works as an employee of the company that makes the Pineapple app) there is virtually no way he could access them.

More accurately, if he could gain access to these Pineapple servers, and hack them enough to control the cards he catches, without having someone on the inside? Then he'd be a bigger idiot than anyone here thought possible, because why is he spending his time hacking this app when he could just be hacking bank of america, well fargo, etc, for millions?

Barring an inside job (which seems incredibly unlikely since the company probably has 4 employees) the hacking stuff: there's barely any smoke, and no fire.

There's always a chance. How big that chance is, is a different matter. IMO chance of app hacking is really really small. But ofc there could be other ways of cheating also.

I have always been struck by Pokerstars replays of big tournaments, where they show the hole cards of all players. If someone playing had access to that sort of info even on a delay of a few seconds, then in effect the opponents are playing with an open hand.

The circumstantial evidence seems to point towards something questionable - particularly the massive difference between the accused's online and live play. It may be something as simple as having made a bot that has cracked this version of poker, which can be used online, but not live.

But really, in the circumstances, there are not that many options.

He could have access to other players' computers.

He could have access to the servers of the games played.

He could have solved the game using a bot.

I was playing on Pokerstars the other day, and when I looked at the Pokerstars replayer to see the cards a player had, and it was always hidden though I could see all others' pocket cards. I asked Pokerstars for an explanation, and they gave some brush off of the incident, but it shows Pokerstars have odd things around hand replays, so this other site could be worse.

I can assure you the replays are irrelevant to those security concerns. Pokerstars has hand history files that they create those replays out of. They would have the hand history files whether they showed replays or not, but they only have the files AFTER the hand is over.

Cheating like you mentioned is only possible if they have garbage security or there's a conspiracy where programmers intentionally made a backdoor to cheat with and somehow have never gotten caught. Both highly unlikely, especially given everything exactly like you would expect it to be if there was no such cheating, no red flags whatsoever that I've seen.

lol wait someone takes one semester of comp sci in high school (java is what the AP test is in and what the vast majority of people learn as their first or second language today, not some super secret mobile app language) and they have a good chance of hacking an app? I've been coding in java for almost 15 years now and have a computer science degree with professional experience and it would be next to impossible for me to hack a mobile app unless it was written with absurdly terrible holes that anyone with the programming knowledge to write an app would know to not do. Sure it's possible he took that semester of high school comp sci and took a liking to it and it ended up with him spending years studying mobile programming and security but jumping to that is like saying "wait you you played sports in high school? Clearly you were the one who pickpocketed me since you have the athletic ability."

This video of a similar app being hacked was posted earlier but I'm guessing a lot of users have that poster on ignore and missed it. I'm not sure how similar the security would be to the app in question here though.

So small recap:

OP can play Jason live for 200/p and up.

/thread.

lmfao that video from OP was strongggggg

This is very suspicious if true especially if it happened multiple times. Online he's an addict that's craving action and willing to spam/freeroll people like a madman for it, but when its live all of a sudden he's not so eager to play anymore.

Any explanation Fernando? I'm not saying I think you're guilty just highly suspicious.

Agreed. It does look suspicious - especially because he delayed answering some of those uncomfortable questions, and now it appears that some of those answers might be a bit shaky.

Damn, if knowing how to write in Java makes you a computer whiz, my grade 10 high school class must have been full of geniuses.

OP, please respond to Jason's bolded points if you wish to clear your name, because this makes you look pretty bad.

Are really trying to say some cheap OFC Pinapple app has the same security as Bank of America? Are you also saying if you steal millions from B of A the risk of them coming after you and the amount of jail time would be the same as stealing for non-legal gambling debt from a poker player? Get a clue.

Harrbaloooo already said a high stakes poker player stole over a million from him and the most he can do is hope he is paid back someday.

Man in the middle attacks can be used to attack any app unless it's network security is done really well.

Poor server security can expose lots of data and features to manipulation.

Script kiddies aren't programming geniuses. Anyone who has studied computer science at Stanford is way ahead of them.

I write mobile and server apps for a living.

Also work in software / mobile app space.

I wouldn't say anyone who has studied at Stanford CS is way ahead of "script kiddies" as a blanket statement. I would say nowadays though if he was recently accepted into Stanford CS program there's no way he just took an intro course (it's insanely hard to get into, you'd probably already be coding, most of the kids I meet at from there at Ycom or elsewhere are making apps or companies in their spare time.)

I don't agree that network security needs to "be done really well" or else it's easy to hack. If it's done decently it would be extremely hard to hack in the manner described.

Any way Jason offered to play you OP - Sack up and do it or gtfo. (Popcorn.)