**** January High Stakes Thread ****

[RNauta]

Originally Posted by chob18

I don't mean to derail or anything but everyone is breaking the t&c just by posting hands on the forums or even discussing reads w/ other regs on IM, no one's ever bothered for a decade of online poker and suddenly it becomes a major offense. lol.

A basic misunderstanding, and adding 'lol' doesn't make it more true or funny, just more moronic.
It's against T&C to use hand histories of hands you weren't involved in to analyze or profile future opponents. The guy posting the HH doesn't violate anything, only the one reading it with the intention to play one of the players involved.

[effuluck]

Originally Posted by moki

Theoretical question... if I purchased 50K of a specific villain's hands from PokerTableRatings.com and used them to analyze someone's game... would that be kosher? Or it would it be collaborating due to the fact that I'd have hand histories from a number of different people in the mix?

It would be wrong obv. If you weren't involved you shouldn't have the data imo.

[thatpfunk]

Originally Posted by effuluck

There's a difference between going over a few hands vs different players..not 60k vs 1 player shared with 3 people to take 4 mil off of one guy.....big difference...

Fulltilt obv seen a problem with this as well.

No fulltilt does NOT have a problem with this. FTP punished one person (Brian Townsend) for one thing (downloading Hand Histories from a website).

They did not, and please try to remember this since you continually try to portray it as being more complicated then it is, they DID NOT punish CTS or Stinger for discussing hands because it is not illegal!

[thatpfunk]

also, one of ftps T&C (that you find so important) is that their rules are interpreted at their discretion. i think you are breaking their T&Cs by questioning their ruling. therefore you are a cheater.

effuluck is a cheater! rawrrr!

[DoctorFarha]

i dont think that sharing data and hand histories should be considered cheating. whats the difference between studying hand histories and watching the guy play? its pretty much the same.

[loltysir]

less chat about old topics, more HH imo

[drnkyourmlkshk]

I don't WTF happened to this thread?!!! I used to log on and read pages of hand histories with all the great players. Now we have durr, pa, ivey, Cole south, bt all playing every day.
Last night on 1 2-4k 7 game avg pot was 37k and there wasn't one pot hh shown here. Since when is 40k pots not post worthy?
All of a sudden there are more people arguing than actual poker. I play every night and those hands were useful to me but whether effuluck or whomever thinks cr's is cheating and whether this guys relevant makes me wonder where it all went wrong in the last month?

[p1gmee]

Benyamine's missing a great opportunity to make some money back by not playing the mixed games now that they run almost evry day... Any news on his whereabouts?

[loltysir]

Originally Posted by p1gmee

Benyamine's missing a great opportunity to make some money back by not playing the mixed games now that they run almost evry day... Any news on his whereabouts?

all you can eat buffet

[Koshur]

Hand #1
Full Tilt Poker $2000/$4000 Limit Omaha Hi/Lo - 3 players
2+2 Hand Converter Powered By DeucesCracked

Pre Flop: (1.5 SB)
durrrr raises, thecranium calls, Brian Townsend 3-bets, durrrr calls, thecranium calls

Flop: (9 SB) 5 T J (3 players)
thecranium checks, Brian Townsend bets, durrrr raises, thecranium 3-bets, Brian Townsend calls, durrrr caps!, thecranium calls, Brian Townsend calls

Turn: (10.5 BB) 7 (3 players)
thecranium checks, Brian Townsend checks, durrrr bets, thecranium calls all in, Brian Townsend calls

River: (13.5 BB) 3 (3 players - 1 is all in)
Brian Townsend bets, durrrr calls

Final Pot: 15.5 BB
thecranium shows 2 Q 3 J (HI: two pair, Jacks and Threes)
Brian Townsend shows J 4 A Q (HI: a pair of Jacks; LO: 7,5,4,3,A)
durrrr shows 5 Q K 3 (HI: two pair, Fives and Threes)
durrrr wins 1 BB
Brian Townsend wins 1 BB
thecranium wins 6.750 BB
Brian Townsend wins 6.750 BB
(Rake: $1.00)

Hand #2
Full Tilt Poker $500/$1000 Pot Limit Omaha Hi - 2 players
2+2 Hand Converter Powered By DeucesCracked

Brian Townsend (BTN/SB): $100000.00
durrrr (BB): $113995.50

Pre Flop: ($1500.00)
Brian Townsend raises to $3000, durrrr raises to $9000, Brian Townsend calls $6000

Flop: ($18000.00) 5 4 A (2 players)
durrrr checks, Brian Townsend bets $13000, durrrr calls $13000

Turn: ($44000.00) T (2 players)
durrrr bets $44000, Brian Townsend raises to $78000 all in, durrrr calls $34000

River: ($200000.00) 3 (2 players - 1 is all in)

Final Pot: $200000.00
Brian Townsend shows 8 J 3 2 (a straight, Five high)
durrrr shows A 7 T J (two pair, Aces and Tens)
Brian Townsend wins $199999.50
(Rake: $0.50)

Hand #3
Full Tilt Poker $2000/$4000 Limit Hold'em - 2 players
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Pre Flop: (1.5 SB)
durrrr raises, Brian Townsend 3-bets, durrrr calls

Flop: (6 SB) T 7 8 (2 players)
Brian Townsend bets, durrrr raises, Brian Townsend 3-bets, durrrr calls

Turn: (6 BB) 3 (2 players)
Brian Townsend bets, durrrr raises, Brian Townsend calls

River: (10 BB) K (2 players)
Brian Townsend checks, durrrr bets, Brian Townsend calls

Final Pot: 12 BB
durrrr shows 9 6 (a straight, Ten high)
durrrr wins 12.000 BB
(Rake: $0.50)

[Koshur]

Full Tilt Poker $2000/$4000 Limit Hold'em - 3 players
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Pre Flop: (1.5 SB)
Brian Townsend raises, David Oppenheim calls, durrrr 3-bets, Brian Townsend calls, David Oppenheim calls

Flop: (9 SB) 7 Q 6 (3 players)
David Oppenheim checks, durrrr bets, Brian Townsend raises, David Oppenheim folds, durrrr 3-bets, Brian Townsend calls

Turn: (7.5 BB) T (2 players)
durrrr bets, Brian Townsend raises, durrrr calls

River: (11.5 BB) J (2 players)
durrrr checks, Brian Townsend bets, durrrr calls

Final Pot: 13.5 BB
Brian Townsend shows 8 9 (a straight, Queen high)
Brian Townsend wins 13.500 BB
(Rake: $1.00)

[Passpuff]

Originally Posted by David123

where does oppenheim get his money from, he seems to be failing daily vs CS.

going on ATM

Plays high stakes live. He's good according to other pros.

[chicken10der]

as a bug-eyed guy, he gets a share of steve buscemi's profits. like how the indians get a share of tribe casino profits.

[DoctorFarha]

is it just me or is hsdb really slow

[Sjors]

Originally Posted by loltysir

less chat about old topics, more HH imo

THIS!

Originally Posted by DoctorFarha

is it just me or is hsdb really slow

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