Disturbing website.

scary stuff indeed

what would be the ways to detect this type of cheating?

By having floor wear infrared glasses or contacts every now and again to check for ink.

A cool little tidbit/safeguard from the article:

"The cool thing is that phone cameras are somewhat sensitive to IR light, so pointing your phone camera at a poker cheating device will show the huge blast of light."

So sounds, ironically, likes pointing your cell phone camera AT the suspected cheating reader (a hacked cell phone) will reveal blasts of light aimed at the deck that it's trying to read.

I recently won a significant amount of money (mid six figures) in a series of private gambling sessions with well known high stakes local pros. They have actually refused to pay originally; the status is now "pending investigation."

Apparently they believe I used either this or another similar device and have started ordering all available cheating devices on the market. It will be cool to see how they work, and hopefully I'll get paid.

I believe it would be very hard to use this effectively.

This was used in Bobby's room ~5 years ago fwiw.

Great, in a thread i'm trying to state my case for 500k i have Bob telling me it was used in Bobby's room, lol. Circumstances are so different it's irrelevant, but still scary nevertheless to think it's possible.

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Uh., yeah I'm gonna go ahead and ask to hear this story. Especially after, as explained, the device would be useless without a dealer who's in on the scam as well. Moreover it requires a marked deck.

So...you're saying that someone somehow got a marked deck into the highest-stakes room in vegas, had a dealer in on the scam, and -- oh yeah -- the reading device uses infrared light which, while invisible to the naked eye, would be immediately obvious to casino cameras.

Yes, I know who I'm saying this to, but I find this near-impossible to believe. Am happy to hear evidence, even anecdotal, to the contrary, though.

You ever hear of Dan Blitz!! He does

Were the cheaters exposed ?

about 5 years ago the Bobby's room floor guy got transferred out of state around the same time as the head of poker operations got fired (forgot his name). I always thought it was very suspicious.

edit: holy **** i just remembered (i was a reg at the bellagio at the time) that there was a dealer procedure change around this time that they were bitching about. I believe (if I remember correctly) that the dealer had to remove his/her hand from the deck after cutting and before dealing!!! Hopefully someone else can remember to confirm that was the change. I remember that the procedure change didn't really make sense to anyone at the time. Must have come from the top. **** what was the director's name?

edit 2: Doug Dalton

Read the two comments on this article


http://pokernewsboy.com/live-poker-n...ker-games/8694

So how does everyone know there was cheating but no one has a clue who cheated or got cheated ?

Read the second comment, it says exactly who was accused of cheating. I have no clue as to the validity of the claims, I can only add details that make it seem like there is something to it.

Billy was indeed playing everyday during the timeframe of the accusations as was Doyle. It wasn't odd for Doyle to be there but seeing Billy in the room everyday was not normal.

The floorman floored anytime the game was going. He would stay until the game broke. He was working like 18 hours a day. Someone was approving his overtime. Him leaving a premier floorman spot immediately after seems odd timing.

Doug Dalton getting let go a few months after.

I had no clue as to the method of cheating that was being accused until Bob mentioned it in this thread which reminded me that around the same time the dealers were givin a new step in their dealing procedure that was basically the only thing that could be done to make this cheat device viable without dealer knowledge, which I think is pretty damning and I've never seen mentioned before. In fact I've only seen this "scandal" mentioned on here once by Private World (which reminded me of the floor guy leaving abruptly) and in a couple of random comments like the one I linked previously. In fact, I would say it's crazy how under the radar it has flown and how no one here seems to care.

Bump. This thread contains very important info with potentially explosive stories starting to emerge. We shouldn't let this slide out of awareness.

Bob thanks for posting, as others have said it would be great if you could share your knowledge.

This is nothing new...i got the misfortune to stumble on this cheating years ago in Bangkok....the game was arranged by a ME champ that lives there.

Story? Names?

No one doubts that this technology exists -- we can see it in the videos. What's more important is how it's being deployed, who's behind it, how players can protect themselves, etc.

Had a friend play short handed with Billy and Doyle a few years ago, was amazed at how well they ran for like a month straight.

Absolute wow @ being used in Bobby's room. I see many camera options including lamp, ceiling light, chip tray, etc.

And the thing about the new dealing procedures, DAMN

sooo in the past year i've been offered convincing evidence that doyle brunson is both a racist and a cheater

always suspected as much, but damn

I've heard numerous references to Doyle being a cheat.

First time about racist,

There's a game in Midway City in Orange County where I suspect this device to be used. This game was raided twice and is reopened in Huntington Beach Bella Terra.

If you play in this game, you will see that there is always a dark skin Vietnamese player that always wears a bluetooth device and sitting in seat 7 or 8 along with a cellphone positioned at the exact same spot (coincidence?). This guy never plays in casinos. He wears this bluetooth device all the time even when not playing possibly to prevent suspicion. LOL.

If you find this game, you can go check it yourself without playing lol .

Anyways, I played a good 50 hours of this home game until I figured out what was going on. I can't go into details how I figured it out. It's honestly not difficult for me because I know my game very well. I'm very certain this is the case:

They don't necessarily "cheat" people out because players will not come back if they get too crushed -especially the fish. I believe they're just strategically distributing and controlling the money on the table. They don't want to fish to get crushed nor do they want one player to win too much. They spoonfeed everyone just enough to get them to come back to try to win their money back. They obviously take more from the guys that make more money IRL and less from the guys that aren't as wealthy.

It's hard for the players to see this because they see everyone losing in this game including the player with a bluetooth device but in reality that player is just giving back some of the money to certain players that are getting crushed.

In the longrun, they're just trying to get players to continually to come back to continue their business long term.

Sad that those amateur players in there dont see this as I can't tell them what I witnessed due to lack of physical evidence. My personal evidence was my experience in each hand I played and the circumstances that occurred during my experience there.

I know some players are playing in that game for 2 years + and their confidence in their game has gone down so much. I took my punishment enough but am lucky that I was able to see this. Although I am still licking my wounds.

Please take this report with a grain of salt and use it as a way to be more cautious when playing home games. I am for sure done with home games after that experience.