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03-30-2009 , 03:28 AM
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Originally Posted by Ansky
Lol when I was in high school i broke 6 minutes once, i was ecstatic.
Haha was just about to post the same thing.
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03-30-2009 , 03:54 AM
For those saying 100,000-1 or infinity to one, I'll give you some free money and offer my $1 to your $20,000 if Huck does this. Cheap at half the price. FREE MOENY.
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03-30-2009 , 03:56 AM
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Originally Posted by Victor
thats the thing. 1 in a million isnt even close. more like 1 in 100-300million.
lol

Running a sub 4:10 mile at 40 years old would be 1 in 100 million.
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03-30-2009 , 04:07 AM
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Originally Posted by Victor
thats the thing. 1 in a million isnt even close. more like 1 in 100-300million.
Ok if either of you two are so sure about this, how about you put your money where your mouth is. I'll take $1 at 1000000/1 and victor u cant knock that back cause u think ur getting great odds.
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03-30-2009 , 04:08 AM
Didn't Huck run a marathon in the middle of the summer in vegas? Seems like this is a prop bet he collected on. Think I might have read about it in Michael Konik's (sp)
book of gambling articles. anybody remember this? Ted forrest did it as well I believe.
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03-30-2009 , 04:10 AM
Just got some info on this.

The bet is that Huck has to BEAT a time of 4:39. (i.e 4 min 39.5 sec would not count).

Also, Huck has NEVER ran a mile that would qualify for this time IN HIS LIFE.

He has until his birthday (Jan 15th according to Wikipedia) to accomplish this.

It will be run on a track. There is no angle in terms of it being downhill or wind aided or anything. It will be on a standard track.

If anyone wants to bet against Huck, I am looking to take action on his side. PM me please.

FWIW, I have no reason to believe Huck is particularly motivated to win this bet. He has only 2k on it (against 66k). I think the bet prohibits him from putting more money on it (the idea being that a lot of the edge comes from lack of motivation on his part). I could be wrong about this last part.
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03-30-2009 , 04:46 AM
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Originally Posted by GroundFloor
check out the date of the article-- it's a letsrun tradition...
Haha, didn't catch that for some reason, thanks. The story really makes no sense in my opinion, but I just ate it up anyways.
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03-30-2009 , 05:46 AM
i wanna put 100 on huck's side.

my 100 to your 3300.

(we can figure out escrow and everything if i feel you are serious about it)
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03-30-2009 , 05:56 AM
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i wanna put 100 on huck's side.

my 100 to your 3300.

(we can figure out escrow and everything if i feel you are serious about it)
do you honestly think there is anyone who would want to escrow 3300 dollars for 10 months for a chance to win 100?

lol they could make the same just putting the 3300 in a savings account.
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03-30-2009 , 07:45 AM
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Originally Posted by EAT IT PAL
do you honestly think there is anyone who would want to escrow 3300 dollars for 10 months for a chance to win 100?

lol they could make the same just putting the 3300 in a savings account.
I think that's the problem right there. Anyone betting against Huck is pretty much a lock to win, but they have to tie up a lot for nearly a year just to win a little.
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03-30-2009 , 11:54 AM
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Originally Posted by David Sklansky
It is only because Huck wants 33-1 that the opinions of the athletic experts matter here. Suppose instead he asked for 8-5 on 250K? We are talking about a world class poker player who went to MIT.
caltech dropout and caltech << mit

I think the odds should be more like 10 to 1, I'm sure huck can do this with motivatation. With only 2k on the line though, is that enough?
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03-30-2009 , 12:15 PM
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Originally Posted by ZeeJustin
Just got some info on this.

The bet is that Huck has to BEAT a time of 4:39. (i.e 4 min 39.5 sec would not count).

Also, Huck has NEVER ran a mile that would qualify for this time IN HIS LIFE.

He has until his birthday (Jan 15th according to Wikipedia) to accomplish this.

It will be run on a track. There is no angle in terms of it being downhill or wind aided or anything. It will be on a standard track.

If anyone wants to bet against Huck, I am looking to take action on his side. PM me please.
I consulted with some people I consider to be very knowledgable about running (I was a hopelessly bad runner to be different from everyone else in the thread). Two questions:

1) Will have have a pace runner?

2) Will he submit to performance enhancing drug/blood doping tests? Specifically: monthly urine and blood sample starting immediately plus samples of both on each of the last 3 days before he runs to include samples a few minutes before he runs.

3) What happens in the event of a buyout?

Depending on the answers to these questions, I may take the "can't do it" side with you.
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03-30-2009 , 12:20 PM
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Originally Posted by killsadie
i would never bet against huck seed on anything!
this was my first thought
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03-30-2009 , 12:38 PM
A pacer would be a must for this.

As for the other rules, it should be kept in line with the standard track and field rulebook. I believe the IAAF sets the standard within the US at least.

I assume this would be a 1600 metre 'track' mile. A standard mile is a few metres more.
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03-30-2009 , 12:53 PM
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Originally Posted by gtrunner57
I want to say some pro basketball player either claimed or tried to run a 4:30 mile in the past 5 years or so. Might be interesting to see if that happened or if he succeeded, but I can't think of who it was off the top of my head.
I think it was Iverson that claimed he could or did run a 4:30, cant remember exactly but it was all over dyestat.

Yeah, and the EPO testing is a big deal also, although he would have to go to a great extent to be able to dope.
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03-30-2009 , 01:32 PM
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Originally Posted by Punker
I consulted with some people I consider to be very knowledgable about running (I was a hopelessly bad runner to be different from everyone else in the thread). Two questions:

1) Will have have a pace runner?

2) Will he submit to performance enhancing drug/blood doping tests? Specifically: monthly urine and blood sample starting immediately plus samples of both on each of the last 3 days before he runs to include samples a few minutes before he runs.

3) What happens in the event of a buyout?

Depending on the answers to these questions, I may take the "can't do it" side with you.
1) Pretty sure the answer is no. I can confirm through Dave Williams if necessary.

2) It's a bet among friends, so I assume they have an honor code. I also doubt Huck would be willing to take steroids for only 66k anyway. I've only spoken to Huck twice in my life, neither time being in the past 6 months, so I'm certainly not going to ask the man to take a drug test for me.

3) Buyout seems really unlikely given the nature of the bet. If Huck ever wants to buyout, that means he's going to lose. Since you'd be giving 33-1 odds, I guess it's fair that you would win in the case of a buyout (if there's a death or paralyzing car crash or something, I think that counts as a chop, not a buyout IMO).
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03-30-2009 , 01:46 PM
rip hamilton is the one who claims to run a 4:30 mile. that was a few years ago. i think he's 33 now. so thats a pro athlete who is 6'6 at 31ish years old. if that helps
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03-30-2009 , 02:34 PM
unpossible
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03-30-2009 , 02:34 PM
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Originally Posted by ZeeJustin
1) Pretty sure the answer is no. I can confirm through Dave Williams if necessary.

2) It's a bet among friends, so I assume they have an honor code. I also doubt Huck would be willing to take steroids for only 66k anyway. I've only spoken to Huck twice in my life, neither time being in the past 6 months, so I'm certainly not going to ask the man to take a drug test for me.

3) Buyout seems really unlikely given the nature of the bet. If Huck ever wants to buyout, that means he's going to lose. Since you'd be giving 33-1 odds, I guess it's fair that you would win in the case of a buyout (if there's a death or paralyzing car crash or something, I think that counts as a chop, not a buyout IMO).
Probably true re : performance enhancing. This will be on a standard outdoor track, I assume. Where?
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03-30-2009 , 03:20 PM
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Originally Posted by Punker
Probably true re : performance enhancing. This will be on a standard outdoor track, I assume. Where?
I would assume he has the option of running it on any outdoor or indoor track he chooses (obv it would have to be regulated or whatever).
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03-30-2009 , 03:44 PM
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Originally Posted by Victor
theres just a huge percentage of the pop (even trained ppl) that simply dont have the genetics to run sub 5. and sub 440 is just exponentially more rare.
Are you serious? Give me 15:1 and a year to exercise and I will do it (I am 21). Or did you mean that high percentage of the 40 year olds can't do that?
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03-30-2009 , 04:01 PM
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Originally Posted by willyc
lol

Running a sub 4:10 mile at 40 years old would be 1 in 100 million.
you could be right. seems 1 in a million is too high for the ~40 yr old population.

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Originally Posted by norfolk&chance
Ok if either of you two are so sure about this, how about you put your money where your mouth is. I'll take $1 at 1000000/1 and victor u cant knock that back cause u think ur getting great odds.
what does this even mean? there are plenty of ppl that can do it. i would assume they know who they are.

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Originally Posted by chinz
Are you serious? Give me 15:1 and a year to exercise and I will do it (I am 21). Or did you mean that high percentage of the 40 year olds can't do that?
who cares if you can do it? most ppl cant. ever. no matter what. what percentage of the under 25 population can achieve this? im thinking like 5% at most.
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03-30-2009 , 04:07 PM
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Originally Posted by EAT IT PAL
do you honestly think there is anyone who would want to escrow 3300 dollars for 10 months for a chance to win 100?

lol they could make the same just putting the 3300 in a savings account.
Might be some reputable posters who want to bet and wouldn't have to escrow.

Just to throw in my mini brag, I once ran a 5:58 mile in HS.
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03-30-2009 , 04:26 PM
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Originally Posted by Victor
who cares if you can do it? most ppl cant. ever. no matter what. what percentage of the under 25 population can achieve this? im thinking like 5% at most.
I am very certain that if you pick 10 normal-weight healthy guys in their twenties, and tell them they have a year to practice and you give them $1m if they succeed, at least 7 of them would. 4:39 on the other hand is VERY different... and Huck being 40. That is something that most of the people couldn't do.

Almost anyone can run 2 miles on the Cooper test (12 minutes) if they are given half a year to (seriously) practice it, so why would 1 mile in 5 minutes be so impossible for avarage person, if he would begin training very seriously?
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03-30-2009 , 04:36 PM
12 minute 2mile is no where near comparison to a 5 minute mile
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