Gus Hansen has 1.5 million tracked hands on Full Tilt. But Guy Laliberte seem to have lost 14 million in less than 200k hands on these 3 accounts:

Zypherin, Esvedra and Lady Marmelade.

Imagine if Laliberte put in Gus volume...

You can add another 17 million more to that when you add up losses from his other known accounts; noataima, patatino, and elmariachimacho...

Laliberté and Hansen have killed online poker by no longer playing high stakes. They make Amaya look like ****ing heroes.

Ben was right, confirmed Ben got more money than doug

Ben86 is the real unsung hero of online poker. Printing millions and gives 0 **** about putting his name or results out there to get the recognition he deserves.

Yeah let us all praise Ben for getting someone to develop some software to form his strategy to win.

Like Doug did in HUNL according to the podcast with wilhasha.

What do you mean? Ben blocked his results on HSDB so clearly he gave at least 1 **** about putting them out there?

There's a podcast with wilhasha???

If you think about it, it's still a skill. It took foresight to know where the market was heading (software/solvers), it took organization to make the right contacts / deals, probably a bit of charm to look up a substantial amount of trust between parties, etc.

If I had a choice between being the best in the world in 2017, or having access to some of the first iterations of solvers in 2011. I'd obviously take the latter.

Because the end goal of poker is to make money. Not to be the best. And there is not necessarily a direct correlation between the two.

This has been obvious to anyone capable of critical thought for a very long time.

its in swedish i believe

Pretty lol for people complaining about a data tracking site releasing public information, publicly....

It's pretty disingenuous to make that comparison. Firstly, there is no evidence any software used was realtime, most likely it wasn't. Assuming he just used private software to improve his game off the table, he did nothing wrong. Having the insight to know what type of personal software to develop, the resourcefulness to find the right people to help him along the way, and then to follow through and put up the results he did are all very impressive.

The analogy to the stock market is a poor one anyway. At least using insider trading as the example.

A more applicable comparison would be to the introduction of algorithms / hft that started in the 90s and dominate today.

Yea I guess I'd like to retract bc I have never been nor will I ever be fully versed in the online poker universe.

So when I hear someone is using software to advance play I think "yea? Standard?" Like that is obviously the inevitable that is going to happen in a mathematics based game where money can be won (played on a computer no less)

But it probably does have some corollary to insider trading bc of TOS of the gaming platforms and the accepted standards within the player pool.

So I will admit I likely have some cognitive dissonance here just bc I have never had an important tie to online poker.

I likened it to AI trading bc there really are some similarities. Everyone and his brother was a trader in 1990 and everyone was swimming in easy money throughout the 90s.

I know it's been brought up before but where exactly did Gus get his money? How can he afford to be down almost 20mill online?

He called it a day last year didn't he when he got to that figure? Surely must have a net worth of 30+mill to lose that much and carry on? Unless he was backed heavily for most of it.

Birchino, He have had numerous huge binks throughout the years and probably a sound investment plan along with it to boot. Few examples, sold a pokercompany(and software) called pokerchamps that he had with erik123/Erik Sagström well before he joined up with FTP. They sold it for a huuuge amount, mind you this was during the boom, what the new owners made of it I have no clue. FTP obviously shoveled money at him He had his wpt/ept binks. And also, the huge untracked backgammon live games(no joke).

But 20 mil? Idk how he managed that but props to him for being so wildly successful outside of poker.

Yea he was the biggest winner in CAP back in the day. His graph was sick on PTR. Ive also heard that Trueteller crushed the Macau games for a while too.

Backgammon

I want to see a source on that, otherwise I call BS on this.

Everything I read about the Macau games says you have to have a little personality & be an action player for them to let you sit. Trueteller looks as exciting as a librarian reading Tolstoy out loud . . .

I want to see gus' backgammon graph

Seeing Ziggy's graph reminds me of 2008. Such a great year for FT nosebleeds

Durrrr, IcallsoWhat, PAT, The Dang brothers. MRB 2 U son, Tsarrast, Ivey, OMG ClayAiken. Luck123, Cole South and the ASHMAN103.

The HA games and the HU PLO 3x raise matches between Ziggy and Durrr where the best. Some had over 3M across the tables

Looks like he lost 900k before starting to win? HTF do people afford to do that

Might be shocking to you but to some people, in life and business HOW you make your money matters a lot

He coud have been up quite a lot from stakes below 5kNL back then?