so report them to Google as a dangerous site

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/29...google-865910/

I sat back and watched this before just making a post and saying what I initially thought of Joe's decision because I wanted to give him the benefit of the doubt.

It's more then clear now, no, it's been more then clear this was nothing but a complete sell out and it's disappointing. There are so few exceptionally moral/good guys in poker that I was hoping Barry's son would somehow prove us all wrong with this horrid decision.

This really blows. So bummed for Barry Joe's a disgrace for this imo and I don't think I'd even want to talk to him if I saw him or was playing live with him. It's just so much worse to act like one thing and then do the exact opposite. Tbh I'd probably say PH and AD deserve more respect then Joe now. Such a stab in the back, say it aint soooo Joe Actually, don't say anything... your words are completely meaningless anymore.

He really should have just said he's selling out. I'd respect that more because at least it's honest and he might have been able to somewhat legitimize it as he may have been able to explain that he was in dire need of money or something. To just continue on championing an image that is earned through honesty, integrity, and sacrifice, while not having any of those just is so much worse then people who don't hide behind and claim any of that.

Barry, do you have anything to add? Is Joe even trying any more? Does he talk about this with you?

The whole HH thing is a tired joke. The plan surely has been, and is, to just let time put this into obscurity and focus on the ones who will either never know or never care.

No roflollo , think i reported it to microsoft who in turn actually OWN google,..think outside of your box im sure your not as dumb as you look.

Why should Joe sebok worry about peoples hand history files ,they are already logged on your computer if you looked hard enough..The ones that did save them that is, Its the players responsibilty to ensure they keep them not the sites fault, And Joe sebok im sure does a lot more than have to worry about stupid hh files that basically prove next to nothing in my view.

Im still waiting on the hand history file that I couldnt download from the site , they told me last week I never competed in the tourney "uboc1" lol!..waste of time even bothering with it all tbqh..They did however send me an email saying they messed my cheque up and they are sending a new one asap.

even AP/UB have standards they did ban your dumbazz afterall then you come on here with your paranoia and have no clue wat your talking about or know wat anyone "looks like"
the only reason you are not banned yet for your personal insults is Kevmath is having too much fun with your insanity

On October 2, 2010 Joe gave an interview on PokerRoad. In it he said the HH's was one thing that they have not gotten all the info about.

He later said this about a possible Leggett blog coming soon:

Soon? Well I suppose it depends on what your definition of "couple" is. I am sure they can come up with some excuse, like Paul was busy testifying about the new cheating, or Blanca getting settled, etc. I mean, afterall it has been years since the scandal broke, or just one year since Paul gave an interview on PokerRoad saying they had all the data. Or the liquidators report from Kozai.......blah blah blah. No full HH's after this long, there is seemingly no reasonable explanation as to why they did it the way they did, but yet cannot give everyone all the HH's. Here is looking forwards to the well overdue blog

The Blanca deal purportedly took place on June 1st, and I've recently become aware of another story peripherally connected to that, if not to the cheating itself. That one involves an untimely death and a possible theft, and I'm really just trying to learn about it. I don't know what will come of it but I plan to ask around.

The blind reference in the latest legal document to what can only be the Day incident is an utter farce, and I may well have had a hand in forcing that to the surface. I can prove that the KGC was aware of the Day incident as of this past July 19, because that's when I had a spirited e-mail exchange with someone there in which I brought up the matter. A request I then made to be put in touch with the KGC's legal counsel, Murray Marshall, has never been answered, and it was several weeks later that the hilarious renewed claim by Cereus against Excapsa went public on the liquidator site.

Given that the Blanca deal itself seems to have gone down on June 1, and the domain for Blanca Games has provable registration on July 16th, three days before my exchange, the odds are extremely high that the whole "Joe Norton quit online poker over this incident" line is yet another pile of crap, a story of convenience being floated to see who'll buy it.

Also, the person that covered up the Day cheating has more than just that to answer for. I figure there are six or seven people whose dirty deeds will inevitably come into public view, and that's not even counting the lawyers.

Back to tipping over the dominoes....

I was banned for numerous reasons,but overall people on the sites didnt know how to play,they would talk in hands ,didnt know the rules etc ,had no etiquette,bluffed with worst hand that got rewarded by the software which incidentally is highly flawed except when its being over-moderated.,...

The other issue is obvios and you say nothing about that i wonder why i ask??
Seems this little issue over networking and hackers doesnt want to air its opinion, since this is the main thrust of the investigation that has still yet to be villified by absolute"ly no-one....

You keep your foul mouth comments to yourself in future and let me be, I know need hassle from jackoffs like yourself who have no right telling other players what to do.
If you had any sense you would actually be gratefull I published any findings at all yet all you do is berate me which is pathetic and un-sporting conduct.

Dont even bother mookman your wasting ure time on all this bs,.
You one person I highly respect in regards to your sincere nature and investigative work ,I dont see whats up rollos ass but I found something that I posted last week on here something to with the networking hacks.,if that makes sense,I also emailed haley hintz this work as she also knows.

I got banned for being a bad customer yet all I ever did was deposit time and again,I have over 1000 hh files and yet they say its going to cost 7k to have them all analysed which they say I must pay in other words its catch22 because u lose anyway regardless of the outcome ....

The issue is in the software and they just did upgrades but rest assured I know something is badly wrong and so much so for even asking questions to the kgc, they just denied everything..

I would like to know one thing mookman if its possible please and that is the program for absolute poker ,I know the developers have never been talked about but lets face it I want to know excatly what Im downloading ,and whether or not Im downloading any third party access tools in correlation to the cookie files and other files they input.."in detail" since most of it is written in code.

Only until then ,and by the way ,some viruses or trojans can go undetected by any anti-virus/spyware/malware call it what you like ., can this be resolved for all the good loving poker community to rest in the knowledge they are not being cheated.....

Until they solve the puzzle of those network hacks ,And I have shown Kevmath one of these only last week might I add "BASED IN COSTA RICA" USING REMOTE ACCESS TO MY COMPUTER,.

Whilst its a federal offence in your country perhaps an apology would be more sufficient from somewhere in the masses since that guy has not come forward yet,as to why he did it.

Gl Mookman keep up the good work. ,Dont be fooled by thier latest angle shooting attempts to brainwash the real problems within the companys to vanish over the doubters,Because Ive seen enough to know they still have players on the site that are both colluding and using uncatered use of illegal 3rd party software .

This thread and the evidence/facts derived as a result of it prove that Joe Sebok is a lying scumbag. Barry Greenstein is a liar and a fool for putting his reputation and faith behind Sebok.

I dare someone: Prove me wrong.

I don't really know (not sure how many do) what is going on with the whole scandal but I can't fault a man with an impeccable record and someone who has done so many things for poker and ppl in general for standing behind the words of his son.

Everyone immediately knew Sebok was lying to everyone about his claims and motivations.

correct me if i'm wrong, but didn't Joe promise that this Legett blog was coming in an interview with wicked chops poker in August. back then he said it was coming "in the next couple of weeks".
way to follow up on that Joe

paul legett has actually posted less frequently than ever since he made the promise, in May, to start blogging twice a week. Seems like Joe, his media advisor, bugged him about it a bit, he agreed to shut him up, and that was that. Not even a handful of blogs from him since then, nothing about the hand histories.

I read a Sebok blog (from his own website) from late August where he reflected on his first year. He seems to think he's done about as good as he could have expected and is more or less washing his hands of the scandal and "looking to the future" which promises to be "quite a ride".

Dont think I could have written that better myself good post",

I also think Mark kandler deserves a mention , it seems like hes the one running the ship over ther at ap.

this case is closed now as far as im concerned whether they post the truth to the customers or not,..Ive handed back my ap gifts and apparel ,my time playing online poker that I once thought was safe is coming to a close.

Would like to know more about how Phil helmuth sees all of this mess, Only time will tell in regards to the poker sites and how they are run, ..

doc31 tho. enough already...