How goes Sebok's hunt for the real (UB) killers? - Page 5 - Poker News

thetendeuce · 01-07-2010, 10:07 AM

Joe Sebok is a cool, straight-up guy. obv he's not going to be personally dragging Russ H and whoever else to the steps of the Supreme Court or anything... I'm sure he means well, and you don't have to contribute to his UB checks if you don't want to.

Of course there's a ton of PR spinning happening... the rebrand to "UB", etc etc.

If you guys are smart enough to win at poker, then you must know what kind of risk a foray into the world of internet gaming. Everyone involved knew that they can't really have an expectation of the protection of the laws of the US when they are playing online.

I actually think it's pretty strong that they paid people back... they could have just jumped ship, shut it down and came back as a new company.

reino · 01-07-2010, 11:16 AM

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Originally Posted by thetendeuce

Joe Sebok is a cool, straight-up guy. obv he's not going to be personally dragging Russ H and whoever else to the steps of the Supreme Court or anything... I'm sure he means well, and you don't have to contribute to his UB checks if you don't want to.

Of course there's a ton of PR spinning happening... the rebrand to "UB", etc etc.

If you guys are smart enough to win at poker, then you must know what kind of risk a foray into the world of internet gaming. Everyone involved knew that they can't really have an expectation of the protection of the laws of the US when they are playing online.

I actually think it's pretty strong that they paid people back... they could have just jumped ship, shut it down and came back as a new company.

Hy Joe

jackhigh · 01-07-2010, 11:52 AM

LOL at the astonishment of Seeboks inaction. This was an obvious snowjob from the start to cushion the eventual backlash from the internet poker community. Did any on you really think he had the clout to do anything?

From the timeline of events, one can conclude that Seebok was shopping his Poker2night idea and UB was the only one to bite - thus the eventual alliance. I don't think Joe would have signed with UB for just a few tourney buy-ins and banner ads. He saw a way to further/save his "Poker Media" career with Poker2Night and UB was the only chance he had. Not a huge sellout if that's your only option to essentially have a career or not have a career but a sellout none the less.

LOL at Barry G. attempting to distance himself and Pokerroad from the obvious UB advertising and promotions affiliated with the Pokerroad site. The snowjob continues.

grdred944 · 01-07-2010, 11:55 AM

This thread reminds me; I need to rewatch 'The Great White Hype'.

Samuel L. Jackson plays this Don King-esque crooked boxing promoter, Rev. Sultan. Jeff Goldblum is his foil. A true believer who is going to expose the corrupt system.

Of course, one meeting with Rev. Sultan and Goldblum's character is no longer a crusader but highly paid and working for Sultan and living the Vegas highlife.

Great film.

uclabruinz · 01-07-2010, 12:45 PM

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Also I wouldn't call what I received to be hand histories. Hand summaries would be a more accurate description, and after receiving them I sure didn't know anything more about who cheated me or for how much. In fact I requested the actual hand histories, not the summaries the day after they sent the summaries and still haven't received anything.

Barry, your comments on this apparent confirmation that HHs have not in fact actually been sent out in any kind of meaningful way? It would appear Joe failed to meet even his first goal, and he made clear he would dump UB in a minute if they wouldn't comply with his three stated goals, right?

uclabruinz · 01-07-2010, 12:55 PM

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Originally Posted by barryg1

Where is there UB advertising on pokerroad, except on his page? Of course, nowhere because they still haven't delivered on the third step Joe talked about: delivering us other real names besides Russ.

Oh come on, Barry. You know I have the utmost respect for you, but are you really making this distinction? And, while I have avoided PR like the plague since my former friend sold out so grossly, a friend pointed me there not too long ago and I am fairly certain there was a HUGE banner ad for some special UB tourney splashed across the PR front page!

Gianakki · 01-07-2010, 02:34 PM

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First off - the entire Pokerroad site is covered in links to Joe's personal blog and blogfessionals or his twitter page all of which in turn are blanketed in advertising from UB. Is it really even worth distinguishing the difference between pokerroad and the "president and CEO" of pokerroad accepting advertising for UB?

Are other bloggers allowed to supply and host their own banner advertising?

Also I wouldn't call what I received to be hand histories. Hand summaries would be a more accurate description, and after receiving them I sure didn't know anything more about who cheated me or for how much. In fact I requested the actual hand histories, not the summaries the day after they sent the summaries and still haven't received anything.

The whole thing is a joke anyways, did anyone including Barry really expect that Joe would do anything worthwhile with regards to enlightening or unraveling the cheating scandal?

This isn't Bob Woodward we are talking about, this is someone that hosts a 'pokertainment' podcast and dresses up for ESPN in various costumes after losing prop bets.

His signed with UB because they offered him money and increased exposure. He writes about 'vigilantly working to make sure all the facts come out regarding the scandal'

But does anyone really believe that this will be the case? And why are they only releasing hand histories that involved their list of super users, why not send everyone every hand they played during the time when cheating went on?

Are we really expected to trust UB to tell us who cheated us and for how much? Especially when they have proven time and time again to be less than accurate in their assertions to which accounts were superusers in the past.

I have nothing personal against anyone who wants to further their career and or make a living, but its awfully disingenuous to hide behind the nobility of a cause when its clear that their main focus is self interest.

Re: pokerroad will die
Being that this thread is about beating the dead horse i should add my 2 cents.

I remember back when i would listen to big poker sundays and Huff would STAY shytting on UB, relentlessly and even more so when Shane replaced Bob. Entire episodes of them questioning the integrity of the site and ALL its affiliates. Fast forward two years he's hosting a poker show sponsored by said company. hahaha Dude actually has something nice to say about Annie Duke, go figure. Its rather sad how he let Sebok steer his 'career' along this path. Ya you might say my word means nothing to him, but i wonder what Shane/Bob feel about his views nowadays, or is it just business as we have learned to say.

Seen...

mi$ter ILL · 01-07-2010, 02:53 PM

ay yo son.....c'mon son

ItsRainingMen · 01-07-2010, 03:13 PM

he's probably too busy co-authoring russ's book

Ultim8Degen · 01-07-2010, 03:15 PM

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Originally Posted by barryg1

So who didn't get their hand histories? Of course, I assume no one, but you guys want to pretend he didn't get them out.

Where is there UB advertising on pokerroad, except on his page? Of course, nowhere because they still haven't delivered on the third step Joe talked about: delivering us other real names besides Russ.

Even when Joe went on Pokercast after criticizing the way Ub handled things, unlike their other spokespeople, Mike painted him as a sellout saying that he said things supporting how Ub was handling things. Why, because it's more popular to bash Joe than tell the truth, as you guys are doing here. (I bash him and keep Ub stuff off pokerroad also.) In other words, Mike sold out to you guys, because it makes his clientele happier than if he would have told the boring truth.

O **** Barry. Give this one up. Even if your points are completely true, you are missing the point.

When Joe signed on with UB, there was an expectation that UB would publish all the HH's and all the names of the people that were behing the cheating. And anything less than that degree of transparency was going to be grounds for bashing. PERIOD.

And this is the second point that you need to realize, when Joe signed on with UB, they were buying YOUR credibility, not his. We are all aware of who Joe is and how close his personal relationship is with yourself. It was the perception of myself, as well as the perception of other 2p2ers that I know, that YOU, not Joe, would be the one who would make sure that UB followed through with the promise to bring total transparency to the UB cheating scandal.

Forget the fact that Joe is an adult and well into his 30's now, that was the perception. That Barry Greenstein, who loved his son, would make damn sure that UB achieved that high degree of transparency.

So, in your opinion, do you believe that UB has exposed EVERY MINUTIAE of cheating that took place? Yes or No?

The_Gee_Man · 01-07-2010, 04:15 PM

He is banging Amanda Leatherman ......

how much spare time does the brother have?

Not sure if I would have enough spare time to breath man !!!

Ultim8Degen · 01-07-2010, 04:34 PM

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Originally Posted by The_Gee_Man

He is banging Amanda Leatherman ......

how much spare time does the brother have?

Not sure if I would have enough spare time to breath man !!!

obvious gavin smith gimmick

**Mike Johnson** · 01-07-2010, 05:08 PM

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Originally Posted by barryg1

Even when Joe went on Pokercast after criticizing the way Ub handled things, unlike their other spokespeople, Mike painted him as a sellout saying that he said things supporting how Ub was handling things. Why, because it's more popular to bash Joe than tell the truth, as you guys are doing here. (I bash him and keep Ub stuff off pokerroad also.) In other words, Mike sold out to you guys, because it makes his clientele happier than if he would have told the boring truth.

Not sure how I got dragged into this. Are you really suggesting that when I give an opinion on the program that it's not actually my opinion, but just what I think the audience wants to hear? Love you a ton Barry, but that's pretty insulting to insinuate that my opinions are not genuine and are driven by an ulterior motive.

FWIW, I get bashed regularly for 'beating a dead horse' regarding my stance on the UB issue all the time from 2+2'ers. I just got another 'let it die, already' post in our forum today.

NoSurprises · 01-07-2010, 06:03 PM

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FWIW, I get bashed regularly for 'beating a dead horse' regarding my stance on the UB issue all the time from 2+2'ers. I just got another 'let it die, already' post in our forum today.

FWIW Mike, I, probably like many others, are always heartened when I hear you discuss the UB scandal on the PC because its good to know there are people out there on our side.

gotwotevaon · 01-07-2010, 06:08 PM

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FWIW Mike, I, probably like many others, are always heartened when I hear you discuss the UB scandal on the PC because its good to know there are people out there on our side.

There are definitely a lot of people on our side, but it seems that so many of them just seem not to be very vocal about it at all.