Well, in the first example I cited for obviously missing hands, that means that the cheater would have had to have sat out and sat back in six different times over the course of 34 hands, and this pattern is repeated in most of the clusters of hands in Barry's sample.

Joe knows me well enough to know not to make such a claim against my findings without checking his facts first, and I don't think anyone else from UB will show up here.

I have never played on UB or AP so I have no vested interest either way. Having said that I cannot defend Joe's actions in any form or fashion. It is very obvious at this point he is unable to defend his signing with UB. It is also looking more and more obvious he will never be able live up to his blog following his signing in which he stated the following:

"The first order of business with my position at UB has been to help aid in the release of not only ALL of the hand histories from the super-user scandal, but also the accounts that were used to perpetuate the scandal itself and the actual physical names of those individuals who we believe to have been directly involved in disparate ways with the actual cheating."

So I ask the members of 2+2, do you feel any different or do you feel you have any more information than you did in October?

Come clean Joe, this is not about making UB a legit company and helping our your fellow poker players who lost a lot of money. This is about YOU and the money.

I haven't looked at the hand histories, but I always assumed that I showed a profit by beating honest players in the game. I find it hard to believe you'll beat anyone who can see your cards, over even a short period of time. I would be interested in seeing hands where it looked like I was softplayed.

By the way Haley, I had never said more than "Hi" to Russ until after the scandal. I think I had seen him only three or four times in my life before I interviewed him for PokerRoad: twice when he was at my table during the WSOP, and once when he walked into Bobby's Room and threatened to beat up Daniel if Daniel spread "rumors" about him. But obviously, he knew who I was and I knew who he was.

I'm still confused about all the ownership stuff. There has always been a lot of talk that unethical things were done and many investors got shortchanged. But it always seemed to me that the likely shadiness there was only circumstantial evidence that the same people were involved in the holecard scandal.

What year was this?

I think it was a year before the scandal broke. I think Daniel's main complaint was about Russ hustling a friend of his on the golf course, but it was hard to get the details over all the screaming.

When this was all going on in 2008, there was this mysterious person called brainwashdodo (?) who posted account and transaction information regarding the cheating accounts. I've saved those screenshots.

I was looking at them and reading back. Has there ever been an update about the persons who were attached to those accounts? Lauren Makar was the owner of the sleepless account, Dan Francis with shaqtack, and some connections were made regarding the Makar family and Hamilton concerning real estate properties that changed hands.

I'll be posting hand specifics when I have a chance, Barry. If you want a preview, you can look in that very first file on your hand history page. It's the one that has about 140 hands in it, the only large file in all those entries.

I've looked at 12-15 of the smaller files, too, and the same patterns hold as far as I can tell.

You played several key hands against cheating account "snowball" in this session (the first file on your page). Let me summarize a few of the hands, reformatting them a bit from that UB system-generated dreck to something most of us can understand:

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Hand #9173956-67066 at Fortenza (No Limit Hold'em) 11/26/05 10:23:58 PM

Barry (crazyplayer) $5,000
cheetah (snowball) $2,521

It's your very first hand, you're the BB and snowball is the button. The other players will fold out of this hand right away, so the relevant action goes like this:

crazyplayer receives: Kc-6c
snowball receives: 7c-6h

Preflop, instead of raising from position like crazy, as occurs constantly throughout this file, snowball just limps from the button, despite it being only 5-handed at this moment. ZaggyStardust folds the small blind and you check.

Flop: 6s-7s-Kd (!!!!)

crazyplayer checks
snowball bets $250
crazyplayer calls

Turn: 2s

crazyplayer bets $750
snowball raises all-in to $2,171
crazyplayer calls

River: 10c

Your kings up hold against snowball's sevens up. You move up to $7,570 after your first hand and snowball rebuys for another $2,500.

Now, at this first impression, it looked to me like a total cooler hand, and that snowball was not cheating at this point. One of the things that I've discovered in looking at these hands is that it's often hard to look at a single cheating hand and say, yes, this is absolute proof. The same goes for anti-cheating or dumping off, it now appears.

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Anyhow, let's move on, just one lap. You've since picked up a nice pot off ZaggyStardust and have moved up to about $8,800:

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Hand #9173956-67069 at Fortenza (No Limit Hold'em) 11/26/05 10:25:40 PM

crazyplayer: $8,819
snowball: $2,350

You're the BB again, posting your $100, and though this table will fill up presently, it's still short-handed at this point. The other players will fold out of this hand pre-flop as well, so the relevant action is:

crazyplayer receives: Jc-Js
snowball receives: Jh-4h

Pre-flop:

snowball min-raises to $200 (!)
you re-raise from the BB to $650
snowball calls for $450 more (!!!) It's a quarter of his stack, and he's got as bad a hand as humanly possible against your pocket jacks. And still he calls off an extra $450, for a total of $650.

Flop: 2d-3h-Ad

crazyplayer bets $1,350
snowball folds

Actually, given the pre-flop craziness, it wasn't that bad a flop (lol), giving him four outs to the wheel. But you've committed against what you rightly perceive as a short stack (he has only $1,700 behind), and he folds it.

This was the first hand that set off my antennae, and it got worse later on. But think about it: Min-raising from the button while short-stacked with J-4 suited? And the big blind just happens to have pocket jacks in wait? No way, Barry. This was a dump job designed to keep the cover intact, and your account was certainly known to the cheaters.

I've got to go to work. I'll hop on tonight and add some more hands to this wonderfulness.

According to a poster named Jim Makar leaving a comment on Pokerati,
half his family was involved in the scandal. http://pokerati.com/2009/09/11/kgc-r...-conspirators/

Also it may be the same guy posting on 2+2 as nvtease. http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/members/202216/

Would be nice of this guy to come post some more.........

Thanks for posting, Haley -- my impression of just those 2 hands, though, is that they're not all that indicative of anything, really. You say you've got HHs that are really eye-opening, which I believe, but I'm not quite sure I'm convinced by the narrative from just those 2 hands...seems like a case where you're trying especially hard to wrap your chosen theory around a fact pattern, but there are (based on those 2 hands, of course) equally, if not more plausible explanations: without knowing that snowball was a cheating account of some sort, #1 looks pretty standard (not withstanding Barry's horrible non-CR of the flop, and #2 looks like a fish play preflop + standard fold on flop. In other words, nothing terribly out of line.

Kind of weird that the guy chose a 2p2 name that was one of the UB cheating accts' screenames

If it was just these two hands, I'd agree utterly, but there's lots more from just this one session I'll post later. Still, Hand #2 is beyond fishy, it's outright hinky. This same account (snowball) ended up finishing this short session at $32,000 following the mentioned rebuy, including a hand where it went all-in bad against Barry and sucked out to double up to $5,000.

Please have some patience!

@Barry: I agree totally about the other owners in UB getting screwed. Not only did they have to ship $15 million to Joe Norton to help cover refunds, but the owner/owners that sold the 25% stake to Norton in the first place cashed out a chunk of money just before the scandal went public. I'll be writing about this stuff at some future date.

My cheated accounts; MYAAWILLHOLD, CURITI, DANAIR, AIRCONTROL
My response to HH request to these cheated accounts...zero....
My refund $240
My cheated loss ~ $200,000 ?

Let this be know to those wanting to play at UB.

Yes Sebok, once again just like 2 months ago, you are welcome to extend a hand for me, and if so I will be the first to bear witness to your interest here in this site.
My private message is open, and my email know to UB.

ActionDan: you previously wrote that you had screenshots of emails from UB admitting that you were cheated and telling you a presumably large refund was in the works. Want to post those?

By the way, someone posted a comment on my blog apparently thinking I said Joe or Barry was involved with the cheating. That's hilarious, but let me make it clear: Barry and Joe aren't the cheaters.

Dan wake up UB is incorporated in Canada UB admitted they cheated their customers, they admitted cheating you by sending you $250 so dispute the amount you were ripped off in Canadian court in other words
SUE THE BASTARDS find others like yourself and file a class action lawsuit Mike the Mouth might be interested as well as others
poker players need to run their financial affairs like a business if a Company tried to stiff my boss for 200K he would be on the phone with our attorneys in 5 seconds