Not that I expected anything resembling real journalism, but that blurb was beyond absurd. It was like UB's PR wrote it. I cancelled my subscription and won't go to Bluff's website ever again. What else can I do.

makes one wonder if UB was an honest Company what would motivate them to continue the cover up once they discovered who the cheaters (operators) where why not just turn them in
to the Feds and completely recover all the stolen funds....................... unless they cut a deal with Russ for X millions kick back for a promise of immunity from prosecution after all the AP cheats where promised that just for telling how they did it-lol
anyone care to set O/U maybe 50-50 ; 60-40 - just wondering

I was a victim of the superusers; I played high stakes on UB back when they were around and received a refund on the first round of refunds, for an amount that I was unsatisfied with. Here is an image of my many attempts over the past two years to get UltimateBet to send me my hand histories as they promised. I keep getting the same response, that it takes a while and they will have them for me shortly. I obviously do not expect them to be given to me at this point, but I guess it should be known that you shouldn't get your hopes up if you are waiting.

LOL, from right after the scandal broke to after the KGC released its final report. That is no surprise. FWIW, if you ever try emailing any contacts at the KGC or Tokwiro, it is unlikely they will reply. Tokwiro;s joke of a website never responded.

So the HH's Barry and others received are not their entire HH's? Just the HH's vs the cheaters? Seems odd. Each players entire HH should be available.

well now that would explain why it takes so long for UB to go thru the HH and cherry pick the ones they want their customers to see but wats the purpose of the summaries

whatever our view about Joe Sebok either personally, or from the public evidence available, we should thank him for signing up with UB in an attempt to clear up and move on from the cheating scandal. Why? Because its foregrounded these issues yet again.

Good work OP, and I would encourage any poster like Scanison above who still has unresolved issues to detail them ITT.

Just as 2+2 played an integral part in uncovering the scandal in the first place, we must continue to press UB and their representatives until there is the kind of full disclosure Joe purports to engender, so no community members - of either 2+2 or online poker in general - can rightly claim they are not only still out of pocket, but also being ignored.

I write this as someone who played on UB prior to and during the period of cheating uncovered (but played low enough to be unaffected), and who now happily plays on sites unaffected by the US government's refusal to engage with internet poker and therefore regulate it in the appropriate manner.

I'd suggest Scansion try emailing joepoker (at) joesebok.com and see if he's able to get your HH's.

haha good one kevmath you got me there!

I never really understood why all the hate of Sebok he seemed alright on PAD

New blog is out saying the same old bs. Next verse same as the first.

http://www.pokerroad.com/blog/joe-se...nassau-bahamas

This confuses me.... but I don't have a confused smiley guy to properly portray it.

Damn, He doesn't appear to be in the best of moods, but then again it is understandable. I admit I am having a hard time understanding why it is so complicated in releasing the names, but I will take his word for it. I just hope it is his words and not COO Paul's words.

So It is not a guarantee that you will get the names? I am confused, b/c Barry said this:

Also,

Why did you know it was going to be the hardest to get the names out? Legal Reasons as mention previousy? Fear of naming someone who may be innocent? Just curious, really.

In either case, good luck and keep working, but man UB has been pretty shady to a lot of other people.

Weren't all the screennames of the cheating accounts actually released by the KGC? Was the timing of the KGC issuing its final press release, made or directly influenced by those at UB perhaps? That nobody released all the screennames until someone gave the final say so, if so who? Who is calling the shots on the 31 names? Paul Leggett? Joe Norton?

Maybe you haven't, but UB has been sitting on this the last 2 years, well 7 really. Or to be fair. UB concluded the investigation July 2008. What have they been doing since then that has prevented any release of any critical information?

I always thought it was weird when the "Bob hates Huff" thing came up on Big Poker Sundays. It seemed a lot more likely (and warranted) that the person Bob had a problem with was Sebok b/c Bob thought he was a buffoon. Then I started thinking maybe that really was just Bob's way with everyone. This post made me happy.

from Sebok's blog:

Is there anyone on this forum still waiting for their hand histories that hasn't shot Sebok an email as he suggested? He seems to think that people still waiting on hand histories is not reality since they haven't all contacted him, so I suggest giving him a chance and report your results back ITT.

Joe;

I requested my full hand history from UB on September 28th from the Director of Security and still haven't received it. I followed up with an email in December and haven't received a response.

Reading that blog is actually quite offensive on several levels;

Its my understanding that the KGC released a full set of names when they made their final payment to the offending accounts.

Is Sebok stating that after he came aboard a new list of usernames was released, and if so why haven't another set of refunds occurred - either the list was the same as the list the KGC released, in which case Joe hasn't done anything, or he has released a new set of usernames in which case UB is due to release more money to the cheated players.

I live in the real world, In this world people have been cheated out of several hundred thousand and in some cases millions of dollars by UB alone, to say nothing of Absolute Poker. If it wasn't for the investigative work of the people on this site and others like it did, none of us would have gotten any of our money back.

But to hear you talk about it, its as if all this new information and work has been done since you signed on, that my friend is offensive.

What exactly has happened since you took your position? You released a set of usernames (that was already out there) and 1/3 of the people who requested hand histories received them? Why are people needing to request their full hand histories, the company defrauded these people out of millions of dollars and now we have to beg for them to send us hand histories?

You also go on to add that if anyone hasn't received hand histories, they should contact you directly. So instead of contacting the head of security (which I did) I should instead contact you and you'll what twist the arm of the head of security to actually do his job? And this is the company you want to work for?

The real irony is that I or others like me are not questioning your integrity, we are questioning your ability to enact change, and or intelligence in taking the position. These are two very different things.

And seeing as how your integrity is beyond reproach, you might want to take another long hard look at who you are working for. Yes, I am referring to the new owners of UB. And yes I am aware that they likely had nothing to do with the actual cheating at UB.

Try and figure out (if you can) where they got all this money to purchase UB. Maybe try and figure out who the real owners are, and after you have done that if you still want to proudly promote this company, i'll get back to you on the integrity issue.