So this guy gets called out in his stream on a regular basis for his nonsense of using charts while playing. He always has some sad excuse. You can see him sometimes be like "I can check or bet here"... then he looks over at other monitor and will be like "nope, I'm going to bet this specific sizing here". I could go through and clip it but the little $200z Losing Reg isn't much worth that. I don't understand how this guy thinks it's not obvious for one, and also why he thinks this is acceptable for two.

Why can't we just attack these cheaters head on and remove them from all stakes of the game $2NL to $40k NL. There has to be something we can do to get foolish players like this to go away.

He also clearly uses viewbots for Twitch view count boost. Has 150-200 viewers with only like 2-6 chatting. The guy needs to go, he needs to stop streaming, stop cheating and be gone from the poker community

https://www.twitch.tv/tarolg

If you want to see for yourself this little soy boy cheat.

hate to break it to u sweaty but online players have been using charts since the dawn of time and you would know that if you weren't a live player from "North America"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VAzb...ature=youtu.be

So that makes it ok? We shouldn't take a stand against it?

The poker world is going to have to agree on some specific new terminology very soon.. Quite unclear specifically what you're accusing him of using. Hell of a difference between pulling up a shove chart and loading up specific flop sims out of a library of 500 flop textures and punching in your hole cards to get exact frequencies and sizings

It's a cash game 100bb deep obviously not push/fold charts

Now he's speaking of quitting streaming. BWAHAHA GET REKT KID

Yea from there on I see a big difference again between having some sort of static chart loaded on a screen next to your tables (okay for almost all sites as far as I know), and sifting through charts in real time to find solutions to specific spot (as in my example of loading through pre-solved flop textures for example, or entering hole cards and/or texture into some sort of program/chart to get advice).

I'm pretty sure static charts are allowed by for example pokerstars where as if the chart uses real time input/changes to the specific situation, it's banned as RTA

See the 40 page thread on Fedor Kruse RTA, the one about the HU bot RTA rings crushing it, BOL bot rings, ect. If there was a solution someone would be working towards it but it's just kind of the new normal until VERY intrusive anti-cheat clients become part of poker(like eSports) but even then workarounds are pretty simple now with external hardware. I've seen so many mid-high stakes streamers over the years do this exact "hmm let me think about this spot" *blatantly into their phone or other monitor until they find the solve* and at first I thought it was kinda gross but if you've been around bigger stables you would quickly learn this type of "cheating" is the narrowest tip of the iceberg in the grand scheme of the unethical edges that are being gained by pros on unsuspecting players.

I agree that charts shouldn't be allowed to use anymore, but as for now you can't blame Tarolg for using them. I think most of the cash game players are using them.

On the other hand, what is a huge concern is that Henri Buehler is just still being sponsored by Natural8 and regging all the Bounty tournaments. That's just pure insanity.

We as a community should get rid of those scumbags.

Don't be like pads, just fight those scumbags.

IDK about his regular streams, but during his "one time thing" stream where he started the 10/20 zoom pool he was clearing using preflop charts and not hiding it.

If someone wants to go through that VoD, there was one clear moment when he had 74s or 73s BB vs BU open and he was about to fold it then looked at the chart and said something like "oh i guess this is a call" and proceeded to call...

There was a moment on zSnakeBright's stream where he(?) had a "chart" or something of that description show up at the bottom of his screen very briefly to which his friend in a voice call remarked something to the effect of "you might not want to show that". I'm not exactly sure what date this was on but it was definitely before his pokerstars account got locked for investigation. It very well may have been just a RFI chart which is allowed though, which would correspond to him having his account reactivated post-investigate.

I do not get why Poker community just keeps the Live / Online INTEGRITY the same? Away from the table, use whatever you want to 'study'. But whether you are at a table live, or behind a computer online, there should be NOTHING else helping.. whether that's RTA, or Charts, or HUDs... it should just be black and white, what is not accepted live at a table is not accepted behind the computer, nothing more nothing less.

Keep the integrity of the game the same, whether online or off. None of this bs HUDS/Charts/RTA that is being used in real time to gain more information then what is assumed at a live table.

But for some reason you decided it's worth to open a thread about this? I mean who cares if he is losing? You want the bad regs to quit? And yeah players have been using charts playing cash for 10+ years now.

so how much did you lose to tarolg op? stars investigated him he's not using anything illegal.

in before this stupid thread is locked.

I don't even play on Stars. You are the typical Soy Boy SJW. I'm easily a winning cash game player and that literally has nothing to do with this thread. You came in here running your mouth about nothing at all to do with the actual issue here. So take your soy boy ass somewhere else, because to be truthful... you're probably using charts yourself because you can't find the time to actually study since you are trying to be such an SJW.

who gives a **** its not against the rules to use basic preflop charts, makes a negligible difference to winrates when regs and fish alike all like using charts anyways.


Also why do you think he is viewbotting? He fills a niche of cash game streams and posts about it in a big NL discord; clearly people are interested in watching. Also much more than a few people chatting typically, many trolls in the mix like yourself who try to **** on him while streaming as well

I've never said anything in his chat. It was brought to my attention in a Discord server that this guy was cheating. By many more than one person. Then also review his Twitch stats... you're lost if you believe none of what I said is true.

Not sure if serious but i have 3 monitors running and always looking somewhere else, chat, OBS, camera...

This thread should be deleted without any proof because this is nothing else than an accusation. Imo this is a personal thing between OP and Tarolg and he tries to cancel him.

Pretty sure he got told that using charts is not allowed while playing. I can not imagine he is doing it on stream.

What if .. just imagine.. his twitch chat is on a different monitor and he is looking at that off screen while playing?

Nah can't be that gotta be cheating :^)

Tread Lightly is his *****, so he's just here to support his daddy

Please excuse me if I am not up on the current rules and/or etiquette to play online poker, but do I have this right?

It is ok to create, study, and memorize (as best as possible) charts for use in poker hands, but it is not ok to actually look at them while playing?

Do I have that right?

i can't see anything wrong in this youtube video.

creating a youtube channel for a single video not even prooving anything, making a 2+2 thread not proving anything, calling him out out for nothing, trying to cancel his stream.

...psychopathic!

SJW Galore here on 2+2

Calling someone a psychopathic with no evidence. Standard ***** move from a huge SJW