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Old 05-10-2017, 02:52 PM   #76
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Re: High Stakes Database trashes Dani Stern

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So he was right about the $50.
Lioncub's on $50 per article?? :O Gotta have a word with my boss and ask if he's getting more than me 'cos of the clickbait titles :/ I can write those too...

'NVG outrage at poker writers' massive wages' -'You're not saving the world', journalists told by enraged media experts -Poker media scumbag in 'Go **** yourself retard' outburst.

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Old 05-10-2017, 02:59 PM   #77
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So he was right about the $50.
I don't get paid by the article or by the word so I can't say for sure. I'd say that could be a decent guess.

Is that a really laughable amount to you high-rollers then?
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Old 05-10-2017, 03:06 PM   #78
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I get paid per word, which works out anywhere from $25-$100+ per article, depending on length. I'm not rich, but then I don't really give a **** about that - never have. My work lets me follow and write about a game I love, I do fine financially, and apart from ignorant trolls my every day is full of sunshine
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Old 05-10-2017, 03:10 PM   #79
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Journalists: "WE ARE ALWAYS RIGHT, **** THE IGNORANT TROLLS"

Also journalists: "Can confirm that we do indeed make $50 per article and are poor and useless"


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Old 05-10-2017, 03:15 PM   #80
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Journalists: "WE ARE ALWAYS RIGHT, **** THE IGNORANT TROLLS"

Also journalists: "Can confirm that we do indeed make $50 per article and are poor and useless"


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Lol - troll writes massively trolling post kind of whining about being called a troll. Then trolls that someone who may or may not earn $50 per article is poor because he is so rich.
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Old 05-10-2017, 03:32 PM   #81
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200/400 is a big game, and huplo is sick, i honestly think ppl are over exaggerating his losses
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Old 05-10-2017, 03:37 PM   #82
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200/400 is a big game, and huplo is sick, i honestly think ppl are over exaggerating his losses
I'd have agreed with you a few years ago but those games run so infrequently these days that $1.3m is a pretty big loss to recover
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Old 05-10-2017, 03:45 PM   #83
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We should be happy guys. We have brilliant journalistic minds here showcasing their thinking.
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Old 05-10-2017, 03:47 PM   #84
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We should be happy guys. We have brilliant journalistic minds here showcasing their thinking.
Finally, a little respect! Oh wait...
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Old 05-10-2017, 03:49 PM   #85
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We should be happy guys. We have brilliant journalistic minds here showcasing their thinking.
And when you are able to think about things, you can confirm them....by thinking about it. No need to verify sources.
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Old 05-10-2017, 04:01 PM   #86
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I don't play PLO, so what is the recommended bankroll for HU PLO?

I'd say that unless Stern has very deep pockets and is trying to improve his game by his choice of the toughest opponents around, then at some point it's got to be worrying. :/
I don't really know, but if you have a small winrate and the games are aggressive you're guaranteed to flip for several buyins if you play multiple hours. A few hundred? If you want a better answer I'd need to know the std deviation bb/100 and expected winrate. I'm not saying it's not a downswing and I don't really know how harsh of a downswing it is as I have no idea how good any of these guys are compared to each other, but if some reg at some point lost 3500$ playing .5/1 would you be shocked?
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Old 05-10-2017, 04:23 PM   #87
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I don't really know, but if you have a small winrate and the games are aggressive you're guaranteed to flip for several buyins if you play multiple hours. A few hundred? If you want a better answer I'd need to know the std deviation bb/100 and expected winrate. I'm not saying it's not a downswing and I don't really know how harsh of a downswing it is as I have no idea how good any of these guys are compared to each other, but if some reg at some point lost 3500$ playing .5/1 would you be shocked?
Not especially, depends how rolled they are for the games. I'm personally not especially shocked by the size of the downswing. I guess IMO one of the differences between a 50c/$1 player and a $200/$400 player is that the player pool is much, much bigger at low stakes so there's always a chance to game select better. At the pointy end there isn't a lot of choice. Also $3500 is an amount of money which, if necessary, could be earned back reasonably quickly outside of poker - milly probably not quite so easy. Losing a million at the nosebleeds is much more of a pain to grind back these days than it was in the high stakes glory days of '07-'11
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Old 05-10-2017, 05:16 PM   #88
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Re: High Stakes Database trashes Dani Stern

What do yopu think you're doing with your poker related site publishing click bait articles! Of all pursuits, poker journalism is the last one I'd expect to be subject to such lowbrow tactics. Such efforts are a detriment the poker industry and reflect badly on all of us.

Let's see some uplifting material for a change. I think that for each one of this type of article, Lioncub and Hedgecock should agree to write one article about the One Drop tournaments or some other charity event. Maybe the Charity Series of Poker but not Angels and Aces because that was supposedly a scam.

BTW, what kind of journalists are you that you didn't crack the case on that one? As I recall, it was NVG that got the goods on them. Once again, NVG trumps the so called "Journalists." Sad!
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Old 05-10-2017, 07:21 PM   #89
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What do yopu think you're doing with your poker related site publishing click bait articles! Of all pursuits, poker journalism is the last one I'd expect to be subject to such lowbrow tactics. Such efforts are a detriment the poker industry and reflect badly on all of us.

Let's see some uplifting material for a change. I think that for each one of this type of article, Lioncub and Hedgecock should agree to write one article about the One Drop tournaments or some other charity event. Maybe the Charity Series of Poker but not Angels and Aces because that was supposedly a scam.

BTW, what kind of journalists are you that you didn't crack the case on that one? As I recall, it was NVG that got the goods on them. Once again, NVG trumps the so called "Journalists." Sad!
Finally, a bit of humour in the thread!

I actually write about most of the charity events: One Drop, Blinds & Justice, Dan Smith's charity drive and others I've written about 700 articles in the last year and a half, and whenever one gets singled out for attention in the way Lioncub's has, it reminds me of that old joke:

A man goes into a pub in a small town and, for whatever reason, gets introduced to the clientele.

There’s Farmer Jack, Barman Jim, Maurice “Dancer” and Sheepshagger John. After a few pints, the visitor’s curiosity gets the better of him and he asks John what’s with the nickname.

“See this pub?” asks John, “I built it, but they don’t call me Pubbuilder John? I’m the local doctor, I saved Barman Jim’s life once when he choked on a peanut, but they don’t call me Lifesaver John. Every year, I supply a huge Christmas tree for the village green, but the don’t call me Christmas Tree John.

“But you shag one lousy sheep…”
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Old 05-10-2017, 07:53 PM   #90
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Hahaha! So sorry it doesn't meet your exacting standards of what proper journalism should be my friend!

Not sure why you don't believe that I didn't read (and still haven't read) the thread you're talking about? I have used threads on this forum and many others as sources for my articles in the past and no doubt will in the future so I would have absolutely no problem with admitting it.

I've written many, many articles about the matches between Dani Stern and BERRI SWEET over the last year so I'm probably more aware than most about how they are both faring online - I wouldn't need to read a thread to tell me about it anyway.

As well as penning everyday poker news stories, another part of my job at HSDB is to use our USP (our unique data, graphs, statistics etc) and to create informative and (occasionally) entertaining articles from them and hopefully encourage some of our readers to take advantage of the site's functionality for themselves.

We're not CNN, we're an entertainment website!
I question whether it's okay to write entertainment type articles at the expense of hurting someone's reputation. However, when reading this particular article, I don't find it that bad. The one question that I would have is how large is the standard deviation (or put another way, how large are the swings) relative to the true win rate in a game like this?

I'm not very familiar with high stakes heads-up PLO but suspect that this loss may not be as bad as the absolute numbers sound, and that's because I suspect the win rate for the better player is probably relatively small while the short term luck factor is probably extremely high. Perhaps that should have been pointed out in the article.

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Old 05-10-2017, 07:58 PM   #91
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OK, big man, here's your NVG challenge for the day...

Pretend you're a poker journalist, you have to write content, you noticed Dani Stern is getting humped badly by Berri Sweet (or your editor tells you).

You have to write 500 words on this, and make it informative, entertaining and as factually correct as possible.

In real life you'd have an hour for this max. I'll give you 24 hours...GO!

Remember, you're going to be judged on this tomorrow
Hi hedgecock:

Are you really a poker journalist? I find it difficult to believe that a journalist would write a post quite like this.

It seems to me that a real poker journalist would explain why he felt the artticle in question was appropriate the way it was written, welcome any criticism, and then address the criticism in a proper way.

(Yes I know that you're notthe author and, just to set the record straight, I'm not a poker journalist.)

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Old 05-10-2017, 08:03 PM   #92
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Infinity buyins
Hi tofurocks:

Assuming you're a winning player, I suspect this estimate is a little too high. However, I also suspect that the required bankroll to assure not going broke is a lot, perhaps much higher $1,301,035.

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Old 05-10-2017, 08:24 PM   #93
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Hi hedgecock:

Are you really a poker journalist? I find it difficult to believe that a journalist would write a post quite like this.

It seems to me that a real poker journalist would explain why he felt the artticle in question was appropriate the way it was written, welcome any criticism, and then address the criticism in a proper way.

(Yes I know that you're notthe author and, just to set the record straight, I'm not a poker journalist.)

Best wishes,
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Hi Mason,

Yes, I am indeed a poker journalist! Is there a set way a journalist should respond to ignorant comments? Maybe if you'd quoted what I was replying to (as I did in the original) it would have been clearer...

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Hahaha what a **** article.
Reminds me of those tabloïds.
I don't see anything wrong with my reply to this troll, and as this is a forum and not my workplace, I'm not sure I care to always be professional about such things.

Many would disagree of course, but I am first of all a person (who can be pissed off when people are ignorant about things, such as with CashW's post) and then a writer who gets paid for a living!

Anyway, whatever, lots of trolls, lots of silly comments (including some of my own). Lioncub's article was a quick piece, nothing wrong with it (title excepted perhaps) and didn't deserve such a response in my opinion. It's not always possible to include every detail in an article, although a mention of variance would have been appropriate as pointed out.
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Old 05-10-2017, 09:52 PM   #94
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@ lioncub

Never argue with NVG

NEVER
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Old 05-10-2017, 10:40 PM   #95
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Hi Mason,

Yes, I am indeed a poker journalist! Is there a set way a journalist should respond to ignorant comments? Maybe if you'd quoted what I was replying to (as I did in the original) it would have been clearer...
Speaking hypothetically, when you respond in a professional manner it'll reflect positively on you and often negatively on the obnoxious poster. However, when you respond in an unprofessional manner it'll often only reflect negatively on you.

Also, and this is important, once you get past the insults from the obnoxious poster, their criticism, or at least part of it, will occasionally be correct. So sometimes their comments can help you fix a flaw in the future.

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I don't see anything wrong with my reply to this troll, and as this is a forum and not my workplace, I'm not sure I care to always be professional about such things.
Again you should be. For example, over the years, I've been privately asked, by important people, for my opinion on a lot of writers in this field.

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Many would disagree of course, but I am first of all a person (who can be pissed off when people are ignorant about things, such as with CashW's post) and then a writer who gets paid for a living!
If you're a writer who gets paid for a living (as opposed to someone who occasionally contributes an article to a website) my comments become even more important.

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Anyway, whatever, lots of trolls, lots of silly comments (including some of my own). Lioncub's article was a quick piece, nothing wrong with it (title excepted perhaps) and didn't deserve such a response in my opinion. It's not always possible to include every detail in an article, although a mention of variance would have been appropriate as pointed out.
I basically agree with this paragraph. But remember, just because this is what you might think, it doesn't mean that others who read it will think the same way.

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Old 05-10-2017, 10:55 PM   #96
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I find it funny that I post the exact same view that Stern has been getting killed lately by BS and thread gets locked and I get flamed. Bobo can you kindly explain how this thread is any different outside of the journalist perspectives??
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Old 05-10-2017, 11:29 PM   #97
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I find it funny that I post the exact same view that Stern has been getting killed lately by BS and thread gets locked and I get flamed.
the Hsdb author just read your thread. Nothing funny. 2+2 is the main poker forum
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Old 05-11-2017, 12:03 AM   #98
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Still don't understand how my thread on this is locked but this one isn't?
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Old 05-11-2017, 12:11 AM   #99
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Still don't understand how my thread on this is locked but this one isn't?
why don't you go back to your (crap) thread and read it, it was pretty obvious and clearly explained. also didn't one of the mods say that you had started like 65 threads out of 290 posts? dude
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Old 05-11-2017, 02:04 AM   #100
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The article was something worth reading while taking a **** at best AFTER you finished reading the back of the windex bottle... filler but whatever . also how can you fault a guy willing to battle HU. maybe if people still had a little gamble and resolve the game wouldnt be a dieing nit fest.

Last edited by fishfood69er; 05-11-2017 at 02:07 AM. Reason: i spelled stuff wrong..... like alot..... and its still pretty bad.
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