Cliffs.

Dont need 2 minutes before you call for clock.

Players wont get a full minute to act on hand after clock is called.


Many other revisions.

I have a feeling sentiment will be split among 2p2ers.


Complete new clock rules at wsop.


https://t.co/08RPUbo73e

http://www.wsop.com/2017/Rule%20Chan...he%20Clock.pdf


The WSOP has also updated rule 80, referring to time allocated when a player calls the clock, in an effort to speed up play. Last year, the player on whom the clock was called had an extra minute to decide, once a TD had reached the table. This year, that minute shrinks to anywhere from 10 to 40 seconds in total, at the TD’s sole discretion.

Here’s the updated rule:

80. Calling-for-clock: Once a reasonable amount of time has passed and a clock is called, Floor People may, in their sole discretion, give the participant an additional 0 up to 30 seconds to make a decision. If action has not been taken when prompted by the Floor Person, there will be a 10-second countdown followed by a declaration or stopwatch alarm. If a participant has not acted before the declaration or alarm sounds, the hand will be dead. Rio, in its sole and absolute discretion, reserves the right, at any time, to invoke a clock or speed up the amount of time allotted for a clock. Any participant intentionally stalling the progress of the game or unnecessarily calling the clock will incur a penalty in accordance with Rules 40, 113, and 114.

Sounds like good rule changes. It basically gives the floor much more leeway to speed up the pace of the game. I'm sure we will hear a little drama over this rule where someone felt they didn't get enough time on some big decision, but overall it should be great.

"Participants are also encouraged to call the clock if another participant is habitually or repeatedly slowing down the game." Sounds like WSOP is 100% on the average player's side who just wants a quicker and more enjoyable game with less nonsense. It will punish the idiots stalling on preflop decisions or habitually overtanking on decisions. I think in 99 times out of a 100, clock calls are not malicious in the slightest and everyone just wants people to quit stalling or to come to a river decision. Most players at the table have a good sense for the gravity of situations or the frequency of tanking and respect the random occasional river/allin tank and generally don't call clocks very often as it is.

Not seeing a downside to this.

Clock reduced from 1 minute to 0-40 seconds, based on floorperson decision.

I like that 2 minutes doesnt need to elapse before even calling clock.

So this will be known as the william kassouf rule right?

I just hope people don't start calling clock too much ... at the end of the day poker is an intellectual game. Both fish and regs alike deserve the opportunity to properly think (what they see as) important decisions over.

not in a tournament, when you stall you are costing other tables or even sometimes yours money each time.
there are very few tournaments that dont penalize you for slowing things down .

i believe the best way is to bar those that do this and are bad for the game. after a few warnings they can be asked not to enter any more tournaments.

I hate stalling but from 3 minutes to zero? Really? I remember campaign against slowroll when half second pause before showdown was good excuse for losing bad regs to start berating anybody.

I support decisions that speed up play (it's become unbearable in some live tournaments how slow it has become...) but I don't like this arbitrary 0-40 seconds rule "based on floor person sole discretion". Why not making it a fair, uniform 20 or 30 seconds? Floor people are human and prone to making mistakes in assessing the situation they're in.

Because people who are intentionally stalling on every decision don't deserve even 20 seconds. Floor can and should start an immediate 10 second countdown for those people.

One of those occasions where cutting down trees is good for the environment.

Not denying, but I'm worried about the subjective aspect. Also the 10 seconds can actually be 0 seconds, which seems a little harsh and can lead to potential drama.

Great for the game.
we need more speed.

Hopefully there will be a rule for preflop action also..
Taking 1,5 mins to fold pre because timing tells... blegh

They shouldn't give a uniform 20 or 30 seconds because the habitual tankers will use all of it, every single decision.

Will Kassouf will find multiple other, within the rules, angles to replace his stalling one and any others that the WSOP plug the holes in. It's all part of his tactical warfare.

I suspect the reality will be 30 seconds for everyone except those who repeatedly stall.

Great to see tournament organisers doing something to speed up the game. The slow pace is the most off-putting aspect of live poker.

Rofl

Yes and no, only if it is blatantly abused in a premeditated overall game strat way, which is what Will Kassouf was clearly doing IMO after his initial premeditated strategy of table talking opponents into giving away information and/or tilting/losing focus was largely stamped on by the TDs.

I think the ability/allowability of being to now and again take a lot of time over a decision in live poker is extremely important, as it is not only vital for genuine situations of a hard decision, e.g. facing an all in on the river, but sometimes equally important to deliberately stall to trick an opponent into believing that their perceived timing tell of you means the opposite of what it is.

I watched your podcast with Joey Ingram and was mightily impressed with everything you said. One thing you described was how you got into poker, that it was initially you playing a little on line poker as a means of adding to some of the fundamental research you were doing into the correct valuation/forward valuations of companies such as Party Poker, in your role as a hedge fund manager, and then poker became a passion for you after that.

I came into the game differently in so far as I started purely as a live player and live is pretty much the only place I still play and the only place I can win, so with maximum respect to you I do feel that you may be overlooking, or perhaps haven't had a lot of exposure to, some of the nuances of being able to take a lot more time (not always, but selectively) on some decisions in live poker.

My view is that the WSOP's new rules in this regard are using a sledgehammer to crack a walnut, which is a common occurrence and reaction in many businesses and industries when something goes wrong or has become problematic. There are probably some better thought out and more sophisticated solutions to address the problem of habitual tactical stalling and tanking.

Good change

Even if the floor gives you zero seconds, there is always a 10 second countdown before your hand is declared dead,

Sounds great to me. Far as i can remember i have never had the clock called on me in 10 years as i snap fold when i know im folding so when i do take 2 or 3 minutes which is very rare people know im not stalling and have earnt that time with my quick decisions previously. People who wait until the action is on them and take 20 seconds to squeeze their cards don't deserve any time when they have a real decision.

Because 30 seconds is still a long time especially repeatedly and these children would just enact clock each hand they were dealt so some shorter time rule really doesn't solve anything.

Under these new rules the floor can literally walk over to Kassouf's table and throw his cards in the muck...like a boss.

+1

I totally agree. The pace of play has gotten from slow to unbearable. On TV people only see big hands from the main event with super long levels, but reality is that players stall all the time in the smaller events with shorter levels.

If they can also make sure floors arrive in a timely manner at the table, this could really help speeding up the game. Let's see how this is going to work out this year and maybe talk about delay of a game penalty next year.

I feel like this is a last ditch effort to avoid having to implement the shot clocks that nobody really wants, but more and more people think is necessary.

Very welcomed change. I've been complaining about people wasting time on decisions for 10 years at WSOP. Basically, the stuff that I was 'wrong' to complain about then I'm now right to complain about now with this rule change. Blessed