Head Up Machine Inventor Answers Some Questions - Poker News

Just got off the phone with him. He told me:

1. All machines are using the same program and have never been changed.

2. Their strategy does NOT take into account how you have been playing.

3. It will not always play the same hand the same way.

4. The machine is programmed to sometimes NOT play its best.

5. The machine obviously has no idea what it is up against.

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12-23-2010 , 09:10 PM

MatthewRyan

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Do u know if they are working on a HUNL machine?

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12-23-2010 , 09:20 PM

doublejoker

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This is a blatant lie. Just observing the preflop hands, it is obvious that the machine was modified not to always reraise limped buttons.

There are other situations as well. Also, players claim the $5 version plays tougher than the 25cent.

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12-23-2010 , 09:21 PM

NLnit

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Given this

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Originally Posted by David Sklansky

3. It will not always play the same hand the same way.

This seems obvious

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Originally Posted by David Sklansky

4. The machine is programmed to sometimes NOT play its best.

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12-23-2010 , 09:37 PM

POB666

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Originally Posted by doublejoker

Well with this full-proof evidence...........

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12-23-2010 , 09:43 PM

leez13

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appreciate the stellar insight, Chainsaw.

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12-23-2010 , 09:45 PM

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Originally Posted by doublejoker

This is a blatant lie.

I don't see how this:

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Originally Posted by doublejoker

it is obvious that the machine was modified not to always reraise limped buttons.

makes this a lie:

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Originally Posted by David Sklansky

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12-23-2010 , 10:01 PM

ike

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Originally Posted by doublejoker

This is a blatant lie. Just observing the preflop hands, it is obvious that the machine was modified not to always reraise limped buttons.

What does this even mean and how does it contradict what Sklansky said?

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12-23-2010 , 10:03 PM

WelshChip

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Originally Posted by ike

What does this even mean and how does it contradict what Sklansky said?

yah i don't understand either

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12-23-2010 , 10:05 PM

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Lamesaw

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12-23-2010 , 10:10 PM

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Originally Posted by ike

What does this even mean and how does it contradict what Sklansky said?

Chainsaw is saying in not-so great english that the machine has been changed, thereby contradicting point #1.

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12-23-2010 , 10:11 PM

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Given this

This seems obvious

Incorrect. Its best could involve mixed strategies.

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12-23-2010 , 10:23 PM

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What does this even mean and how does it contradict what Sklansky said?

Some people said it would raise from the BB 90% of the time If you limp the button.. they now say it doesn't raise very often in this situation.

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12-23-2010 , 10:42 PM

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Originally Posted by doublejoker

[x] limped buttons
[ ] reraise possible
[x] gtfo

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12-23-2010 , 10:46 PM

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POB666

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I'm in awe of the authority of the last post for someone who joined the forum this month

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12-23-2010 , 10:50 PM

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sounds like D. Sklansky is about to sit down and this machine obviously has no idea what it is up against

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12-23-2010 , 10:59 PM

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Originally Posted by David Sklansky

Just got off the phone with him.

Does anyone think BlotKis created himself?

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12-23-2010 , 11:03 PM

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the raise frequency of limped buttons was definitely reprogrammed after players started limping big hands to exploit it.

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12-23-2010 , 11:03 PM

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yes yes .. but does it know how TO TRIPLE RANGE MERGE

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12-23-2010 , 11:06 PM

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doublejoker

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Fwiw a slot mechanic at bellagio said the machines are doing well and both sides will have the higher limit games starting today.

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12-23-2010 , 11:34 PM

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lol at 4. The machine is programmed to sometimes NOT play its best.

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12-23-2010 , 11:53 PM

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Fwiw a slot mechanic at bellagio said the machines are doing well and both sides will have the higher limit games starting today.

Higher limit = $10/20?

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12-24-2010 , 12:32 AM

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lol at 4. The machine is programmed to sometimes NOT play its best.

Yeah, that's hard to fathom ,perhaps if it's beating someone too badly it eases off a little to give opponent a little hope.

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12-24-2010 , 12:48 AM

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Yeah, that's hard to fathom ,perhaps if it's beating someone too badly it eases off a little to give opponent a little hope.

Wouldn't that qualify as adjusting to the player?

Could it mean that the machine sometimes does "WTF?" plays, for the ****** equity? If you see it do a terribad play once, you might forever be dissuaded from thinking that the machine is unbeatable. Given that your cards are shown every single time, you really do have to only make it once in a blue moon.

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12-24-2010 , 12:49 AM

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this isnt very good for poker imo

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