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08-02-2017 , 10:58 PM
most women just aren't interested in poker and that's not going to change
it's not like there was some high amount of women playing online poker either.
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08-02-2017 , 11:00 PM
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Originally Posted by Sir Donkington III
More chicks should play poker anyway cos they'd handle the mental aspect alot better. By mental aspect I mean handling tilt control, being able to not give off too many tells once comfortable with the basics of the game.

Case in point, was playing live 1 -2 with a lady and we the board was four flushed with clubs on river. I had King of clubs and rag nothing. She puts me all in. It took me a little bit to decide to call since she was very confident in her posture, but I couldn't tell if it was a sure thing with the Ace flush or just really strong. I mean, the way the pot played out, she could have Ace clubs - anything, just like I had King clubs, offsuit 4 or 5.

I called, she had Jack of clubs, and like 9 or 10 something red.

She got mad and asked "You had to think about that?"

Well, yea. I'm sitting here with friggin K5 off suit, haha, you could have A something just as easy and in prior hands, when she had a strong had she acted very similar.


Normally dudes are easier to read because they get overconfident alot quicker.

Licking lips, shifting in seat, things like that.

Maybe it's just me and my aggressive flatulence or something that causes me to shift in my seat alot. I dunno.

More chicks should play, and I mean that in a for real way.

And if you get offended by the term "chicks" then poker isn't for you anyway. Dude or chick
good one
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08-02-2017 , 11:05 PM
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Originally Posted by michelle227
It isn't something that happens EVERY time I sit at a low-stakes table, although it is definitely something I see more frequently in cash than in tournaments. I derive some benefit from being a semi-regular at one out-of-State casino where I play because enough of the dealers know me that they keep things in check.

The worst times tend to be the late night shifts though. Early morning hours are not as bad in terms of comments.

On occasion, it devolves even further from just denigrating women at the table (there are times where I am not the only one) to getting in the realm of homophobic comments once they realize I am a lesbian. Sadly, some actually find it acceptable given the 'speech play' rationalizations given by Kassouf for his constant chatter.
How long have you been playing? Is it any different now than when you started? Does it bother you when men go out of their way to wish you luck or make comments about a lady being at the table (in an attempted chivalrous way)?
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08-02-2017 , 11:21 PM
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Originally Posted by augie_
this is the problem that male feminists and new wave feminists face. since america is already equal and the least sexist country on earth, the new feminists end up being the ones who are actually discriminatory and sexist by tearing men down as an entire group instead of focusing on actual individual instances of sexism
Just this
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08-02-2017 , 11:28 PM
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Originally Posted by Bobo Fett
No, but getting closer all the time.


Top 25, quite possibly. Consensus number one with no room for improvement, not even close.

I agree that those who act like women are still in the same place they were 50 years ago aren't helping move things forward, but neither do those who suggest that there's no need for any more improvement.
Go get in line for your healthcare, and stop lying
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08-02-2017 , 11:28 PM
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Originally Posted by Dr. Meh
I feel like getting more women to play poker would be good for the game and could start a second poker boom if it were to catch on among them.

However, the female players I know all say they are constantly insulted, flirted with, and/or made to feel they don't belong at the table. They say they can use this to their advantage, to an extent, but acknowledge that it gets very annoying and turns other women off from wanting to play.

Might I suggest we not always point out when a woman is at the table? Maybe don't desperately flirt with every female within a ten foot radius of us? How about just treating them and their abilities like any other opponent?

Why are we purposely making it uncomfortable for approximately 50% of the global population to play poker when their money is worth the same as anybody elses?

Why are woman so much more common at limit holdem than pot limit omaha? The obvious answer is that woman are smart enough to stick to games that I have written books about. But I fear that might not be it.
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08-02-2017 , 11:29 PM
They should make you all wear pink for a month and start being all SJW

Nevermind. NFL called said no dice.
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08-02-2017 , 11:37 PM
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Originally Posted by David Sklansky
Why are woman so much more common at limit holdem than pot limit omaha? The obvious answer is that woman are smart enough to stick to games that I have written books about. But I fear that might not be it.
Well-played
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08-02-2017 , 11:52 PM
Going to say no politarding/general ass hattery ITT and nip the feminism/anti/SJW talk now. Only warning.
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08-03-2017 , 12:05 AM
i love the women.
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08-03-2017 , 01:39 AM
LOeffinL at a bunch of butthurt PC police that don't even see the main underlying theme in my post.

More WOMEN / CHICKS / GALS / POKER PLAYERS should play poker because they'd be INHERENTLY BETTER than most men because of their ABILITY TO MASTER MENTAL GAME quicker. I know strong ass chicks that are cold as icceeeeeee, and wouldn't hesitate to push it in when they feel it.

Basically, wuhp wuhp, if you aren't the type to be lookin to be ahffended, I said that men can be OVERCONFIDENT and GIVE MORE TELLS as opposed to WOMEN / CHICKS / LADIES.

Good low blow there going with the sexual predator. I'll have you know I've adopted the dreadlocked look from mr Movie Predman AND the big ol cowboy hat from Mr Slimwhickywhicky Slim Jim Rillo man.
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08-03-2017 , 01:42 AM
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Originally Posted by SageDonkey
Possibly a societal stigma associated with women playing poker (gambling).

E.g. if a man has a small bet on the football at the weekend it's a hobby or he likes a flutter, but if a woman does the same people might think she has a gambling problem.

If a man has a few drinks he's one of the lads, if a woman does the same she's out of control or has a drink problem.

These kinds of gender discriminatory perceptions in society may be putting off women from playing live poker for fear of what others might think about them.
Huh
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08-03-2017 , 07:22 AM
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Originally Posted by Bobo Fett
It's pretty normal for organizations to have a look at their sales/attendance/engagement, try to find demographic segments that are not buying or are underrepresented, and work on ways to improve that. Of course that doesn't preclude making overall improvements as well.
I mean categorised the way we treat a player...only if the player is a friend we can make their life difficult
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08-03-2017 , 08:49 AM
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Originally Posted by SageDonkey
If live poker consisted only of tournaments there would be more women in the game IMO because it would be and feel much more like a sport, with trophies, rankings and prestige.
If you believe women are going to be drawn simply because there are more shiny baubles, then YOU are part of the problem.

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Hendon Mob could help things become more this way by having separate GPI rankings exclusively for <$150 comps.
How would that help? I don't know ANY players who I see on a frequent basis AND who play tournaments that give a damn about Hendon Mob rankings. Those at tables that talk about it or post about tournaments being slow to update tend to be the narcissists that make the table less fun.
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08-03-2017 , 08:59 AM
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Originally Posted by Dr. Meh
How long have you been playing? Is it any different now than when you started? Does it bother you when men go out of their way to wish you luck or make comments about a lady being at the table (in an attempted chivalrous way)?
I started playing NLHE in early 2007...started with bar league where owner/friend needed butts in the seats. Was playing cash less than six months later and doing well. Honed the non NLHE games online prior to Black Friday...and those were what I spent more time playing during June in Vegas.

I still see some of the same issues at tables now that I saw a decade ago. Dealers are more willing to be proactive in shutting down the nonsense, and some of the homophobic comments have died off as the various court rulings have come down and more people don't hide being gay or lesbian.

Wishes of luck don't bother me in a general sense...comments are viewed in context of the conversations going on at the table. There is no one-size-fits-all approach.
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08-03-2017 , 09:20 AM
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Originally Posted by michelle227
If you believe women are going to be drawn simply because there are more shiny baubles, then YOU are part of the problem.

How would that help? I don't know ANY players who I see on a frequent basis AND who play tournaments that give a damn about Hendon Mob rankings. Those at tables that talk about it or post about tournaments being slow to update tend to be the narcissists that make the table less fun.
If the annual poker awards had awards for the top male and top female <$150 buy in player and maybe the top 50 worldwide from each gender qualify for a lucrative on line free roll it could incentivise both men and women to play more regularly. The Hendon Mob rankings are under utilised in general in this respect. The data could be harnessed much more effectively to promote the game.

The current system of only highlighting bigger buy in players is a little dismissive of a lot of very good players who happen to play at lower buy in levels.
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08-03-2017 , 10:34 AM
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Originally Posted by michelle227
I started playing NLHE in early 2007...started with bar league where owner/friend needed butts in the seats. Was playing cash less than six months later and doing well. Honed the non NLHE games online prior to Black Friday...and those were what I spent more time playing during June in Vegas.

I still see some of the same issues at tables now that I saw a decade ago. Dealers are more willing to be proactive in shutting down the nonsense, and some of the homophobic comments have died off as the various court rulings have come down and more people don't hide being gay or lesbian.

Wishes of luck don't bother me in a general sense...comments are viewed in context of the conversations going on at the table. There is no one-size-fits-all approach.
One of my female friends was in the Main Event and before it began, she was sitting next to the only other woman at the table. A guy came in, looked at everyone at the table without saying anything, and when he came to them, he doffed his hat and said "good luck, ladies." That really bothered them because they thought to themselves "why would he need to say good luck to us and not everyone? Why single us out?"

I know most guys here think that perhaps she was being too sensitive (I think that, too) but it doesn't change the fact that that's how they felt and that comments many of us perceive as innocuous can be viewed differently by the people we are speaking to. That's why I think it best that we don't point out women at the table or single them out for comments, even if well intentioned. It can make them feel as if they are being divided from the rest of everyone rather than treated the same.
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08-03-2017 , 10:37 AM
sitting at a table with 8 dudes isn't most women's idea of fun. Cash game players especially are pretty disgusting people.
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08-03-2017 , 10:46 AM
Just a thought, NL is a riskier game than limit, is perhaps why you see less women in poker rooms now than before. There may be some truth to the fact that women, in general, are more risk averse than men.

Another factor is the social experience. It is basically non-existent in NL. When limit holdem was king, the rooms were rocking, chips flying, people chatting, having fun etc. Now it's like sitting in a morgue. You've got people tanking, not talking, games are slow. Where's the fun in that? Who would be attracted to that lifestyle?
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08-03-2017 , 10:46 AM
If i encourage x amount of women into poker does this make me a more valuable member of society than someone who doesn't. If so can someone explain how/If not then why the hell would i do it
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08-03-2017 , 10:49 AM
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Originally Posted by Dr. Meh
One of my female friends was in the Main Event and before it began, she was sitting next to the only other woman at the table. A guy came in, looked at everyone at the table without saying anything, and when he came to them, he doffed his hat and said "good luck, ladies." That really bothered them because they thought to themselves "why would he need to say good luck to us and not everyone? Why single us out?"

I know most guys here think that perhaps she was being too sensitive (I think that, too) but it doesn't change the fact that that's how they felt and that comments many of us perceive as innocuous can be viewed differently by the people we are speaking to. That's why I think it best that we don't point out women at the table or single them out for comments, even if well intentioned. It can make them feel as if they are being divided from the rest of everyone rather than treated the same.
If that was not someone who was going to be playing AT the same table, I can see why they felt a bit wierded out by the action, even if it was innocent in intent. If it was someone who would be at the same table, I would not be as concerned...judgment in that instance reserved to see how the rest of the table conversations went.

As I believe I mentioned somewhere in the thread (or it could have been at some point in time over in TWSS), much is situational-dependent...in this social media world, there are too many instances where someone cherry-picks a single sentence to run one direction or another.
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08-03-2017 , 11:05 AM
We need ambassadors like Joe McKeehan saying hi to peoples wives and boom, more women in poker!
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08-03-2017 , 11:40 AM
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Originally Posted by SuperSwag
sitting at a table with 8 dudes isn't most women's idea of fun. Cash game players especially are pretty disgusting people.
Indeed....not really my idea of fun either, and I'm a man. Women would be so much more likely to play if they knew there would be other women at the table. That's why I suggested hiring female prop players. I'd happily pay an extra dollar in rake if there were at least two women at the table every time I played.
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08-03-2017 , 11:54 AM
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Originally Posted by NickMPK
Indeed....not really my idea of fun either, and I'm a man. Women would be so much more likely to play if they knew there would be other women at the table. That's why I suggested hiring female prop players. I'd happily pay an extra dollar in rake if there were at least two women at the table every time I played.
Someone meme this fool with a "more rake is better"!
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08-03-2017 , 12:09 PM
Haven't been to a casino to play live in over three years now. Still get the occasional itch every now and then to go, but then I remember why I stopped playing live in the first place.

Women are smarter than men, hence no live no poker boom ever. Sorry.
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