More chicks should play poker anyway cos they'd handle the mental aspect alot better. By mental aspect I mean handling tilt control, being able to not give off too many tells once comfortable with the basics of the game.

Case in point, was playing live 1 -2 with a lady and we the board was four flushed with clubs on river. I had King of clubs and rag nothing. She puts me all in. It took me a little bit to decide to call since she was very confident in her posture, but I couldn't tell if it was a sure thing with the Ace flush or just really strong. I mean, the way the pot played out, she could have Ace clubs - anything, just like I had King clubs, offsuit 4 or 5.

I called, she had Jack of clubs, and like 9 or 10 something red.

She got mad and asked "You had to think about that?"

Well, yea. I'm sitting here with friggin K5 off suit, haha, you could have A something just as easy and in prior hands, when she had a strong had she acted very similar.


Normally dudes are easier to read because they get overconfident alot quicker.

Licking lips, shifting in seat, things like that.

Maybe it's just me and my aggressive flatulence or something that causes me to shift in my seat alot. I dunno.

More chicks should play, and I mean that in a for real way.

And if you get offended by the term "chicks" then poker isn't for you anyway. Dude or chick

Because, apparently, accepting that people are crass should be the norm...

Poker is a social game. When people go out of their way to be an a-hole, it ceases to be worth the time of people to remain at the table, no matter how profitable it might otherwise have been.

I'll be exiting ovah here stage left!!!! Walking thru a minefield here! Back it up! Gonna go hang out with my boys J-Moss and Stu, and laugh at some of Puggy Pearson's jokes.

Yeah, pretty much this. Being at the very least, off-putting, towards women is like a prerequisite to being a degen.

I would be the one barely making eye contact, since the women I know can tell giant lies about life changing matters without even skipping a breath. Natural born poker players.


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Slot machines are the exception (mainly for women over 40) but women generally are way less into gambling/gaming and high risk pursuits in general.

How many women do you see betting in betting shops or at the race track, surely the race track is not an intimidating environment. How many female armed robbers/bank robbers are there?

I agree that more female players in the game would be a good thing but we have to accept that there is a ceiling, not a glass ceiling, because women generally are not as attracted to entering into high risk situations compared to men.

so what you're saying is people should treat women how everyone treat men at the poker table, wheres the ****in boom at?

i actualy think more women would play poker if peopled checked more, lets keep the game friendly guys

Studies show women take lots of risks in life, and are not risk averse. They are just less likely to sit around a table and play a card game.


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I don't claim to know how people behave at poker tables in other cities, but I'd say if behaviour at the table is the main issue then we'd expect there to be far more women playing online poker than live. Anyone got recent stats about that?

A serious suggestion, along the lines of how to attract more women into nightclubs (free entry), is offer incentives such as rake free passes for cash games and juice free for tournaments plus some live freerolls with prizes that are not cash but items that women like. Nothing sexist like a kettle, but gift certificates or gift experience vouchers, something like that.

More women would play and before you know it "x" percentage of them would turn into regular players and some into full scale degenerates.

I agree with a previous poster that women usually tilt way less than men.

Except that, at least in the States, live poker is the only viable option. Online is NOT viable for the vast majority...

I do distinctly remember lots of abuse in the 'chat box' on FTP and PS prior to Black Friday. Which comes back to the issue of it being a social game made unbearable by people (often males) who insisted on being a-holes...

We could still test the hypothesis by looking at countries with similar cultures, such as the UK or Canada.

About chat - the people abusing each other in chat don't generally have a way to know who is a man or a woman. I play on a site with no chat - actually most sites are pretty low chat these days as people don't speak the same languages - but I don't miss it anyway. If we are saying that general abuse going round puts off women more than men then it might be true but then we are saying women and men have different tastes, which afaik isn't admissible in modern discussions about gender and also opens up the possibilities of explanations more along the lines of SageDonkey's in post 31.

If we want women to feel comfortable at the poker table, we have to stop treating them as sex objects.

..... those boys of yours are deader than Julius Caesar.

Are you channeling Amarillo Slim or something ?

fyp

The quintessential Sage Donkey post deconstructed. .... and don't call me Shirley.

How appropriate for the thread if he WAS channeling that sexual predator...

Maybe more women will play poker if you can find a way to increase the percentage of poker tables that are fixed limit rather than no limit hold em.

Legalize online poker in the US, but only allow fixed limit cash games and don't permit big bet cash games for the first five years.

It should be easy when my girls on her period I find other stuff to do. Pokerstars needs to capilitalize on that week where girls should have lots of free time.

As someone who has been playing live poker in Los Angeles the last 15 years I think this point is bigger than we are giving credit IMO.

Basically, (generally) the men who are the biggest misogynists (and more importantly *******s in general) that make a lot of women uncomfortable are also the biggest degenerate gamblers who fuel the games, and these people are more important to the poker ecosystem than women are.

Because of the way it is structured, you need bad players to keep the games alive. I don't know how the math works out exactly, but 1 bad player is worth A LOT as far as keeping a poker game afloat.

You see this in the most extreme at commerce all the time in bigger games. The waiting list for a new game is 6 players long but noone wants to play, then that one bad player walks in the room and suddenly you have a game.

Basically, the reality of the situation is that if you want to have a "healthy" poker ecosystem you need losing degenerate players to fuel the games, and these players are likely to be *******s in general, including misogynists. Just one of those realities of life.

Also, as plenty of others have pointed out, women are less likely to be attracted to a hobby that involves direct confrontation like poker. To enjoy poker you need a certain mindset, and if you don't that mindset you aren't going to, period. And men are much more likely to have the right mindset to enjoy poker than women are.

Maybe the answer is as simple as having more pro's like the Joe McKeehen's of the world / say "Hi" to female rail birds everywhere...

I'm not sure the juice is worth the squeeze. Think if Joe someone skipped your wife or girlfriend. You'd hold that grudge for years, finally having to vent/cry about it on an online poker forum.

Getting more women to play poker, or having an older British man win the WSOP doesn't really matter. The only thing that would potentially matter is online coming back across America.

Would more women grinding the local live games be good? I guess
But, whether you're anti-being PC or completely ignore them, you know it has to be uncomfortable for them. "Guys being guys", people are constantly firing on them all night long, guys just point blank being gross, "You know what they call 69 suited... Big lick, it's my favorite hand, what's yours..."
"Because you have a great smile I'll let you take this one down, I'm folding a set"

She leaves the table, "I'd hit that" "She's hot, but she's annoying. I'd still F her though"
etc etc
Every guy constantly staring at her.

I mean, all to play some 1/3 or 2/5 in a room that smells like a fart. Why?

My post was perfectly reasonable as pointed out by someone a few posts later.

Not sure what your problem is, but keep trolling me if it makes you happy.

No, but getting closer all the time.

Top 25, quite possibly. Consensus number one with no room for improvement, not even close.

I agree that those who act like women are still in the same place they were 50 years ago aren't helping move things forward, but neither do those who suggest that there's no need for any more improvement.

The World Economic Forum ranked the US 45th in their Global Gender Gap Index for 2016.