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09-19-2013 , 08:39 PM
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Originally Posted by iamont1lt
For the people who disputed the balance shown after logging in with their petition+control number,

Did anyone else not see a place to enter what they believe to be the "correct" balance? And also a place to explain?

I had to upload a word document with what I think is the correct balance and my explanation.
No, but this is exactly what I did. Effectively I think this is optimal at this point.
09-19-2013 , 08:41 PM
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Originally Posted by Haupt_234
Do you or anyone else in this thread have an accurate idea of what an accurate monetary claim would be for points?

I am debating trying to get value for mine since I agree with you that it's sort of a freeroll at this point, which hopefully doesn't extend our payout time.
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Originally Posted by -sham-
weren't points worth .006?
.006 of what?

I believe the basic rate was $0.005 and they got devalued somewhat shortly before BF.

There was a thread somewhere where people traded points for $ and FT store stuff. I looked in the marketplace under "Gift cards and poker site points" but did not find it there. Someone should know where it is/was.

At any rate that would show a monetary value for points. Again I had estimated a value for my points of 1/3 cent which factored in the rakeback hit for using them.

There is of course the issue that FT is currently holding those points.
09-19-2013 , 09:03 PM
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Originally Posted by Water Man
Ok, i just starting filing my claim. My balance is about 10% short and i do not currently have any documents to support my disagreement. Should i just log out? Or will i not be able to refile again?
Unless you've completely submitted the petition -- and you'd know because you would have submitted an electronic signature -- you can go back and continue filling out the form.

But yes, get all of your documents in order before finishing your claim. You get one bullet, so to speak. Fortunately, you have two months before you can no longer fire that shot.
09-19-2013 , 09:03 PM
About emails:

I sent an email to GCG on Monday telling them I no longer had access to the email account that my ftp account used, and gave them an email address for petition information. About 2 hours ago they sent my control/petition number to the email that I asked them to send that info to.
09-19-2013 , 09:10 PM
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Originally Posted by Ice_W0lf
About emails:

I sent an email to GCG on Monday telling them I no longer had access to the email account that my ftp account used, and gave them an email address for petition information. About 2 hours ago they sent my control/petition number to the email that I asked them to send that info to.
Ah, thank you... that was why I came here before replying to another post. One of my friends is in the same boat. I advised him to email them and let them know of his situation. At least now I can let him know this has worked for at least one other person.

I figured as such: I couldn't remember for sure which email was my Full Tilt email. I shot them a note last week to find out. They were able to look me up by name and Full Tilt screen name, then confirm that the address from which I was writing matched my old Tilt account.
09-19-2013 , 09:56 PM
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Originally Posted by Frenbar
That's just not true. If you never cashed out before, but you have a balance, FT would not have your social security number or your banking information, simply your email address and whatever name and address you gave them.
I know you often go out of your way to be contrary, but this is a stretch, even for you. Do you not believe that the DOJ could access your SS# by using your Name and Address if they really wanted it? If you used a false name and address to get your FTP account then it wouldn't much matter because you can't file a petition without a SS# and a Bank Account to match the name you used. Also, if I had to guess I would guess that most of the people that had an account on FTP when it shut down withdrew money on at least one occasion.

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Originally Posted by Frenbar
You can choose to walk down the streets of the South Bronx at 3 am with a giant gold chain "without fear" for your safety, but it doesn't mean that people with good sense are paranoid because they think twice about doing so.
What a great analogy. My personal information given to a multi-million dollar a year government contractor, working for the largest law enforcement agency in the entire world to send me money stolen from me and me risking my life on the streets of NY. Hmmmmm, yeah I guess I can see the parallels. You never know when one of the high security cleared and fully vetted accountants at GCG is going to go postal and drop by my place at 3AM to do me physical harm in order to steal my "giant gold chain". It could happen

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Originally Posted by Frenbar
It's simply absurd to suggest that handing over your personal information to a 3rd party processing center, let alone the DOJ, doesn't carry real, tangible risks. If you have $3 on FT, it very well might be a better choice to let it go rather then invite government scrutiny and have your most sensitive personal data stored and yet another 3rd party server.
You must have one hell of time getting a credit card, obtaining a drivers license, getting insurance, holding a job, opening up a bank account, buying a car, renting a home, getting medical treatment at a hospital, seeing your dentist, or having utilities in your name if you are so worried about the "real tangible risks" associated with sharing "your most sensitive personal data" with third parties. You must be a real wreck at tax time, what with inviting all that "government scrutiny" into your life. Please dude!

Do you seriously not have any idea just how many people you have already shared your "most sensitive personal data" with? Do you really equate the "real tangible risk" of giving GCG your SS# and Bank info for the purposes of remission and putting your personal health and physical safety at risk? Now that, is "simply absurd"!
09-19-2013 , 10:00 PM
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Originally Posted by Ice_W0lf
About emails:

I sent an email to GCG on Monday telling them I no longer had access to the email account that my ftp account used, and gave them an email address for petition information. About 2 hours ago they sent my control/petition number to the email that I asked them to send that info to.
Did you have to provide some sort of proof that you actually are the owner of the Full Tilt account? Or did they just send you the email?
09-19-2013 , 10:16 PM
Nope, just sent them the email saying that I no longer have access to email address (xxxx@yyy.com). Please use rrrr@ssss.com for my new address. My ftp screen name was xxxxxxxx.
09-19-2013 , 10:28 PM
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Originally Posted by Ice_W0lf
Nope, just sent them the email saying that I no longer have access to email address (xxxx@yyy.com). Please use rrrr@ssss.com for my new address. My ftp screen name was xxxxxxxx.
Well, that isn't easy to exploit for fraud reasons, now is it?
09-19-2013 , 10:47 PM
Meh.. you would still need the users ssn.
09-19-2013 , 10:55 PM
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Originally Posted by Ice_W0lf
About emails:

I sent an email to GCG on Monday telling them I no longer had access to the email account that my ftp account used, and gave them an email address for petition information. About 2 hours ago they sent my control/petition number to the email that I asked them to send that info to.
That's so weird because I did the same thing and got a canned reply about waiting and another guy itt did the same thing and was told he was an affiliate and wouldn't be eligible. Sick variance in who reads it i guess. This certainly sucks
09-19-2013 , 11:13 PM
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Originally Posted by PJo336
That's so weird because I did the same thing and got a canned reply about waiting and another guy itt did the same thing and was told he was an affiliate and wouldn't be eligible. Sick variance in who reads it i guess. This certainly sucks
Can we get links to these posts about affiliates not being eligible?
09-19-2013 , 11:23 PM
My information was so basic. I was just a very square casual SNG winner. No email changes, no affiliates, never had any negative correspondence with FTP. If they (GCG) can't get the email to me (same email from signup), and others in here who also fit the same bill, it just appears to be a clusterfluck.
09-19-2013 , 11:42 PM
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Originally Posted by Ramon Scott
My information was so basic. I was just a very square casual SNG winner. No email changes, no affiliates, never had any negative correspondence with FTP. If they (GCG) can't get the email to me (same email from signup), and others in here who also fit the same bill, it just appears to be a clusterfluck.
I have a 5 fig balance and no email yet, so it seems that it is random.
09-19-2013 , 11:48 PM
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Originally Posted by swd805
I have a 5 fig balance and no email yet, so it seems that it is random.

I also have a 5 fig balance and receive no email notice, and when I called them, they just read me those notice word by word that I should wait some more days.
09-20-2013 , 12:04 AM
On the petition, what is the bank address referring to?
09-20-2013 , 12:12 AM
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Originally Posted by Deuce 7
On the petition, what is the bank address referring to?
i took it to mean the address of the bank's headquarters.
09-20-2013 , 01:12 AM
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Originally Posted by Deuce 7
On the petition, what is the bank address referring to?
I usually look up my closest branches address when asked for this and it always works fine.
09-20-2013 , 01:48 AM
did you guys get your T$?
09-20-2013 , 02:03 AM
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Originally Posted by 1938ford
I know you often go out of your way to be contrary, but this is a stretch, even for you. Do you not believe that the DOJ could access your SS# by using your Name and Address if they really wanted it? If you used a false name and address to get your FTP account then it wouldn't much matter because you can't file a petition without a SS# and a Bank Account to match the name you used. Also, if I had to guess I would guess that most of the people that had an account on FTP when it shut down withdrew money on at least one occasion.
That's the whole point. There's no doubt the DOJ could find out everything about you if it so chose. By not filing a claim, you are less likely to attract such scrutiny.

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Originally Posted by 1938ford
What a great analogy. My personal information given to a multi-million dollar a year government contractor, working for the largest law enforcement agency in the entire world to send me money stolen from me and me risking my life on the streets of NY. Hmmmmm, yeah I guess I can see the parallels. You never know when one of the high security cleared and fully vetted accountants at GCG is going to go postal and drop by my place at 3AM to do me physical harm in order to steal my "giant gold chain". It could happen
I have to assume this is simply hyperbole on your part, since I don't think it's likely you are this ignorant, based on your other posts. If you want a list of hundreds of "high security", "multi-million dollar" government contractors that have exposed information was given confidentially, with guarantees of privacy, I will provide them to you.

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Originally Posted by 1938ford
You must have one hell of time getting a credit card, obtaining a drivers license, getting insurance, holding a job, opening up a bank account, buying a car, renting a home, getting medical treatment at a hospital, seeing your dentist, or having utilities in your name if you are so worried about the "real tangible risks" associated with sharing "your most sensitive personal data" with third parties. You must be a real wreck at tax time, what with inviting all that "government scrutiny" into your life. Please dude!
It's more difficult, but I manage.

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Originally Posted by 1938ford

Do you seriously not have any idea just how many people you have already shared your "most sensitive personal data" with? Do you really equate the "real tangible risk" of giving GCG your SS# and Bank info for the purposes of remission and putting your personal health and physical safety at risk? Now that, is "simply absurd"!
Obviously not nearly as many as you. The point remains that there are tangible risks associated with making the claims. How much these risks are worth are up to the individual. If you are trying to argue that it's worth bringing yourself to the attention of the DOJ and going through the claims process to maybe recover $3, I just plainly disagree. No doubt the worth of such attention will vary depending on the amount involved and the level of scrutiny the claimant is willing to undergo.

Last edited by Frenbar; 09-20-2013 at 02:09 AM.
09-20-2013 , 02:21 AM
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Originally Posted by Frenbar
That's the whole point. There's no doubt the DOJ could find out everything about you if it so chose. By not filing a claim, you are less likely to attract such scrutiny.
Just because you are paranoid doesn't mean there are not after you!

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Originally Posted by Frenbar
I have to assume this is simply hyperbole on your part, since I don't think it's likely you are this ignorant, based on your other posts. If you want a list of hundreds of "high security", "multi-million dollar" government contractors that have exposed information was given confidentially, with guarantees of privacy, I will provide them to you.
Hyperbole? Excuse me, but I don't think it was me exaggerating the severity of someone getting my "personal info". You missed the rest of the analogy you laid out. How does the super duper contractor potentially stealing my precious and secret info compare to being killed on the streets of NY? Forgive me, but the two events do not seem comparable to me!

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Originally Posted by Frenbar
It's more difficult, but I manage.
You must be one of them West Virginia Mountain people with no need for a credit card, social security number or drivers license one of the other posters referenced ITT earlier. But, God Bless us both for managing to keep our sense of humor intact!

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Originally Posted by Frenbar
The point remains that there are tangible risks associated with making the claims. How much these risks are worth are up to the individual. If you are trying to argue that it's worth bringing yourself to the attention of the DOJ and going through the claims process to maybe recover $3, I just plainly disagree. No doubt the worth of such attention will vary depending on the amount involved and the level of scrutiny the claimant is willing to undergo.
This started with me making a snide comment, meant to be funny and thought provoking, about someone unwilling to waste their time for $200. However, I do not believe there is ANY credible "tangible" risk associated with filing a truthful petition for remission. I do not believe there is any risk of any "scrutiny" by any agency of the government for filing a truthful petition for remission. None. The only thing scrutinized will be the petition. The government does not have the time, resources, wherewithal, desire or reason to launch a full scale investigation into the million plus poker players that want their money back. But, that is just my opinion. Clearly, you are correct, it is an individual choice.

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Originally Posted by Frenbar
Obviously not nearly as many as you.
I'd like to leave you with one parting thought.....While I watch Big Brother 15 on CBS, the real Big Brother is watching YOU!

Last edited by 1938ford; 09-20-2013 at 02:38 AM.
09-20-2013 , 02:35 AM
So I never got an e-mail.

What is up with this affiliate thing? I had 1 friend sign up under the "Refer a Friend" thing on FT and was getting a % of his RB. Does this qualify me as one of those people ineligible?

That would really suck because I played a ton as well.

I also never received an e-mail so I did a manual claim and uploaded my excel sheet. Now what? Just wait and hope I get sent money? It's unnerving not knowing what THEY think my balance is because I never got a control number.

Any help/advice?
09-20-2013 , 03:49 AM
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Originally Posted by 1938ford
I'd like to leave you with one parting thought.....While I watch Big Brother 15 on CBS, the real Big Brother is watching YOU!
+1
09-20-2013 , 07:25 AM
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Originally Posted by 1938ford
Do you seriously not have any idea just how many people you have already shared your "most sensitive personal data" with?
Irrelevant. The issue is the marginal risk associated with participation in the remissions process. You may evaluate that risk as zero. Others may think differently.
09-20-2013 , 08:27 AM
Ok, some data from my player history file :

Dates range from 1/10/2007 to 6/4/2011.
There are 4 post-black Friday transactions.

Overall there are 32627 entries. As suspected, I have 149 entries called Affiliate to Player transaction, 101 are from Rakeback Pros, and 48 are from my affiliate account.

Interestingly, after July 30, 2010, rakeback became labelled as Player Rakeback Payment, instead of Affiliate to Player transaction.

There are 32000+ entries logging my ring game, rush poker and tournament play.

So while there are entries stating that I received affiliate payments, based on how the rakeback entries are labelled prior to July 30th, there's nothing in the file indicating that I was myself an affiliate.

Anyway, if anyone has any specific questions about my file, I'd be happy to answer them.

I haven't received any reply from CGC about my inquiry concerning how I was classified as such. I guess I'll compose an email to the PPA this weekend to see if they can assist in any way.

      
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