If you look at http://www.pokerscout.com you will see that Fultilt is now doing about 50% of the business PokerStars is doing. The change in business has been happening steadily for the past 6 to 9 months. This should deeply concern Fulltilt's owners because less then a year ago FT was almost even with PS.

Normally, shareholders would demand changes in strategy or insist in bringing in new management (professional management).

On top of the above, FT has now has it's first public cheating scandal.

Again, if the shareholders were business people or money managers vs poker players they would be demanding answers and letting management know they are failing.

pokerstars +1million

What is this cheating scandal you speak of?

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/sh...ltilt+cheating

Please don't hijack this thread, that thread is still open.

From reading the other thread it appears to have been a collusion ring (if the allegations are true). You probably should have mentioned specifically what type of cheating was involved. Though it does sound better the way you put it, right?

Jack Bando posted this in NVG a bit back. Do the numbers match yours?

it should be pointed out that according to pokerscout, FTs peak cash for July 16th was

July 16 1:56 PM 12342

2007 WSOP TV (July 16-20 ) 13,209 8,981 8,232

Failing...

I just transferred the last of bankroll from TIlt to Stars this week. Got disconnected 3x w/18 players< left in 2k+ runner tournament, potentially cost me 1000's of Dollars. This has never happened to me on Stars and continuously does on FTP, I have high speed Comcast and top of the line equipment no ****ing excuse.

shareholders? is fulltilt a public traded company.

lol, comcast.

No. But the owners of Tiltware are shareholders.

I don't remember this ever being the case.

If Jack Bando's pokerscout numbers are correct, neither does pokerscout...

Looking at those numbers Full Tilt has almost always been <50%. Regardless, I sincerely doubt FTP management or the shareholders are all that concerned when they've doubled their clientele the past year.

Not sure what OP's vendetta is all about.

PokerStars PWNs Full Tilt Poker. 100%

possibly confusing, but no FTP isnt public. op's point seems to be if they had shareholders instead of phil ivey/ferguson/whoever owning the company there would be a dif approach over there.

as far as if theyre failing, i would say with all the $$ they spend on advertising they will always keep new players coming in. altho recent threads on here make me wonder if their inept support has finally reached the tipping point for the players on FTP who have rakeback.

The fact that FT has most of the big named pros, the biggest games online and still is dramatically behind Stars in terms of numbers should tell you everything you need to know.

Uh, how so? They have virtually no presence overseas.

This thread is FAILING.

QFT

It tells me they don't have as many .05/.10 and $1 SNG's going as stars. Tilt is doing just fine hanging on to its market share. Another conspiracy thread started with no proof of actual stats. As for the "public cheating scandal" you can bet there is collusion on PS as well. The true test is to see what they do to prevent and/or penalize those caught.

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I agree, they do suck balls.

If you look at the Full Tilt page on pokersitescout you can see that Full Tilt has grown substantially over the last 6 months. 6 months ago they were averaging 7K players, now they are averaging 8K. If the entire site consisted of just the 1K players in growth, it would be the 12th largest site. Full Tilt is doing fine.

Responses to the above posts.

I have no vendetta against FT, many of the people who run it are friends. However, I have had private conversations, and now I have gone public with my concerns about management.

Poker Stars has shown dramatic growth in comparison to Fulltilt over the last year. That is somewhat alarming.

FT is growing overseas, but needs and wants to grow at a faster rate. They are in the process of launching a new initiative aimed at the overseas market.

Royce is correct, I believe that if many of their shareholders were not the sponsored pros, the management would be questioned. If it had professional money mangers invested, or was public, the accountability would be different, and their would be serious questions based on performance.

I believe that Poker Stars is better managed, and therefore, and shown more growth, has better customers service, etc.