Fulltilt Management failing? - Poker News

amulet · 07-18-2008, 01:37 PM

If you look at http://www.pokerscout.com you will see that Fultilt is now doing about 50% of the business PokerStars is doing. The change in business has been happening steadily for the past 6 to 9 months. This should deeply concern Fulltilt's owners because less then a year ago FT was almost even with PS.

Normally, shareholders would demand changes in strategy or insist in bringing in new management (professional management).

On top of the above, FT has now has it's first public cheating scandal.

Again, if the shareholders were business people or money managers vs poker players they would be demanding answers and letting management know they are failing.

Getmoney$916 · 07-18-2008, 01:38 PM

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Pro-Style · 07-18-2008, 01:39 PM

What is this cheating scandal you speak of?

amulet · 07-18-2008, 01:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Pro-Style

What is this cheating scandal you speak of?

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/sh...ltilt+cheating

Please don't hijack this thread, that thread is still open.

LeapFrog · 07-18-2008, 01:56 PM

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Originally Posted by amulet

On top of the above, FT has now has it's first public cheating scandal.

From reading the other thread it appears to have been a collusion ring (if the allegations are true). You probably should have mentioned specifically what type of cheating was involved. Though it does sound better the way you put it, right?

LeapFrog · 07-18-2008, 02:17 PM

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Originally Posted by amulet

If you look at http://www.pokerscout.com you will see that Fultilt is now doing about 50% of the business PokerStars is doing. The change in business has been happening steadily for the past 6 to 9 months. This should deeply concern Fulltilt's owners because less then a year ago FT was almost even with PS.

Jack Bando posted this in NVG a bit back. Do the numbers match yours?

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Originally Posted by Jack Bando

Numbers of cash game players daily peaks:Stars-Tilt-Party

Prior to UIGEA (Oct. 8, 2006 - Oct. 12, 2006) 9,713 4,623 10,746
Prior to Neteller closing (Jan. 13, - 17 - 2007) 14,781 7,480 8,595
Neteller closed to US ( Jan. 19 - 23'07) 12,636 5,797 8,320
March 1st - 5th, 2007 Average 13,300 6,239 10,894
April 1st - 5th, 2007 Average 12,154 6,720 10,963
June 1st - 5th, 2007 Average 13,458 7,969 8,971
2007 WSOP TV (July 16-20 ) 13,209 8,981 8,232
August 15-19, 2007 Average 13,279 8,292 7,433
WSOP ME on TV (Sept 1-5, 2007) 14,087 6,266 9,392
1 year UIGEA (Oct 1-5 of 2007) 14264 7682 8391
November 1st-5th, 2007 16310 8109 7865
February 1st - 7th, 2008 22161 11857 9092
March 1st - 7th, 2008 22406 11129 9159

Stars is 2x as big pre UIEGA, and recovered from NT closing in 8 months and is stronger than ever. Tilt is 3x bigger and recovered from NT faster. Party is almost back to pre UIEGA strength. This isn't counting tourney players. (Stars is having record turnouts for their Sunday MTTs though)

Epassporte pullout:
Pokerstars 22,613 prior pullout & 22,843 after = 1% increase

Fulltiltpoker 9982 prior pullout & 9975 after pullout = ~ 0% change

UlB 2912 prior pullout & 2204 after pullout = 24% decrease

Absolutepoker 1941 prior pullout & 1952 after pullout = .5% increase

Micro 1802 prior pullout & 1434 after pullout = 20% decrease

Cake Network 1927 prior pullout & 1809 after pullout = 6% decrease

LeapFrog · 07-18-2008, 02:40 PM

it should be pointed out that according to pokerscout, FTs peak cash for July 16th was

July 16 1:56 PM 12342

2007 WSOP TV (July 16-20 ) 13,209 8,981 8,232

Failing...

montanad12 · 07-18-2008, 02:43 PM

I just transferred the last of bankroll from TIlt to Stars this week. Got disconnected 3x w/18 players< left in 2k+ runner tournament, potentially cost me 1000's of Dollars. This has never happened to me on Stars and continuously does on FTP, I have high speed Comcast and top of the line equipment no ****ing excuse.

kassdog · 07-18-2008, 02:51 PM

shareholders? is fulltilt a public traded company.

JaviSRK · 07-18-2008, 02:54 PM

lol, comcast.

amulet · 07-18-2008, 02:57 PM

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Originally Posted by kassdog

shareholders? is fulltilt a public traded company.

No. But the owners of Tiltware are shareholders.

Garbs · 07-18-2008, 02:58 PM

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This should deeply concern Fulltilt's owners because less then a year ago FT was almost even with PS.

I don't remember this ever being the case.

LeapFrog · 07-18-2008, 03:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Garbs

I don't remember this ever being the case.

If Jack Bando's pokerscout numbers are correct, neither does pokerscout...

Garbs · 07-18-2008, 03:10 PM

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Originally Posted by LeapFrog

If Jack Bando's pokerscout numbers are correct, neither does pokerscout...

Looking at those numbers Full Tilt has almost always been <50%. Regardless, I sincerely doubt FTP management or the shareholders are all that concerned when they've doubled their clientele the past year.

Not sure what OP's vendetta is all about.

Lucypher · 07-18-2008, 03:21 PM

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