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Old 04-05-2014, 11:21 AM   #1
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Spade Full casino shuffle: is it possible to control any card in the deck

I'll say right away – I'm not a card shark. Even though many do call me as such a man. I am professional illusionist with 3 years of experience. In the past I worked as card-croupier in one of the poker-clubs in Dnepropetrovsk area, Ukraine. I didn't know any magic tricks then and only was starting to play poker. Before we approach the tables as croupier, naturally we were taught how to properly do it. At first we were cutting the chips, counted percentage of rake. But as soon as we got cards in our hands, it was love at first site, at list for me. In these 52 pieces of cardboard was something magical. They could present man with hope and with next card live him with nothing.

We were given a deck of cards, to practice at home. It was an old deck with a hole in it ( the deck that is out of use is punched with hole-punch, so the cards can't be used in the game anymore.). I was so inspired, that I was practicing for days. I felt as I was shuffling cards, that I control destiny of the player. Surely I wasn't able to control the process at all, but already then I started to think about it …

Complete casino shuffle is comprised from 4 shuffles and two cuts, where every move can be explained from the point of security. And in theory it is impossible to control the position even of one card. As I found out later, it's only in theory ….

As I was studying magic, I got deeper and deeper in to the art of Card Magic. Now I knew how to do “Russian shuffle”, (from hand to hand - “Overhand shuffle”) and control top card back to the top. But still the shuffle of poker-clubs was unreachable. The time has past and I studied videos by Shade, Artist, seminars by Darwin Ortiz, Ackerman, Jason England and Richard Turner. I had to learn English for it. I've studied many illusionists and card mechanics, I've seen most complex techniques, that were worked on and polished for years. But the “holly grail” for me was always the ability to do the complete casino shuffle, where not a single card changes place...

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Old 04-05-2014, 11:37 AM   #2
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Re: Full casino shuffle: is it possible to control any card in the deck

Yeah, that's why almost every casino uses a shuffle machine for cash games and when you play a tournament you cant pick your table and the dealers change every half hour.

a reason to avoid home games i suppose.
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Old 04-05-2014, 12:09 PM   #3
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Re: Full casino shuffle: is it possible to control any card in the deck

damn that shuffle was insane
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Old 04-05-2014, 12:13 PM   #4
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Re: Full casino shuffle: is it possible to control any card in the deck

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damn that shuffle was insane
If you think that that was good, what do you think about this, at 2 min, 35 sec:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iWM4qQWwnu0#t=2m35s
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Old 04-05-2014, 12:14 PM   #5
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Re: Full casino shuffle: is it possible to control any card in the deck

Super strange thread start but the video made up for it. wtffff
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Old 04-05-2014, 12:55 PM   #6
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Re: Full casino shuffle: is it possible to control any card in the deck

Remember "The Sting" with Robert Redford and Paul Newman? Here is Newman's card trick scene with card manipulator John Scarne's hands doing the actual shuffling and tricks http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n3bnMv3ULes.

Here is an ancient expose of Scarne showing us his sleight of hand tricks that can be used at poker http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IJ6O6SlPjeY.

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Old 04-05-2014, 01:35 PM   #7
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Re: Full casino shuffle: is it possible to control any card in the deck

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If you think that that was good, what do you think about this, at 2 min, 35 sec:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iWM4qQWwnu0#t=2m35s
Yes, Ricky Jay is good, I wanted to show that every 'real' move can be false
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Old 04-05-2014, 02:03 PM   #8
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Old 04-05-2014, 07:27 PM   #9
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Re: Full casino shuffle: is it possible to control any card in the deck

wow hes amazing
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Old 04-05-2014, 08:17 PM   #10
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Old 04-05-2014, 08:27 PM   #11
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Re: Full casino shuffle: is it possible to control any card in the deck

It's the guy from the Deadwood series!

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Old 04-06-2014, 08:15 AM   #12
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Re: Full casino shuffle: is it possible to control any card in the deck

I saw the Madison playing cards and closed the video right as he went into an obvious zarrow variation.

It's nice framing, but the "in theory it's impossible to control" is complete, unadulterated bull****. Also, as any of the gambling experts quoted would be the first to admit, a full-deck control, whether it's through a casino-style procedure or not, is not needed at the card table and most of the work spent on it is for magicians' sakes.

I went back to the video and watched it in full. The triple cut is obvious and has no place at the card table. The push-through is OK, although anyone familiar with casino procedures could point out that the bottom card of the deck doesn't change so it's not a proper shuffle. The strip, the zarrow and scrape cut that follow it were obvious. I'd actually say the scrape has no place on video but I've seen Forte (and a couple others) pull it off nicely.

It's just a magician using magician moves for a magician's purpose. A real cheat wouldn't have any truck with most of this, let alone post a video about it.

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Old 04-06-2014, 08:23 AM   #13
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Re: Full casino shuffle: is it possible to control any card in the deck

Since we're working our way up in skill on video, here's the top gambling move man showing you what those push-throughs and the strip should look like:

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Old 04-06-2014, 10:36 PM   #14
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Re: Full casino shuffle: is it possible to control any card in the deck

I'd never heard of Ricky Jay, but immediately recognized him as the CIA agent from the TV show The Unit; I just thought he was an actor.
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Old 04-07-2014, 01:17 AM   #15
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through watching these clips i came across this one which I've never seen before

worth a few mins to watch def

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J78J-6PbhVo

starts 2.02

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