FTP Discussion Thread (Everything but big new news goes here. Cliffs in OP)

[aiminglow]

Originally Posted by TY reload PLS

https://twitter.com/JamesBarnesEsq
'Pokerstars folds on FTP deal. Never real deal, just bluff to prevent Tapie from bringing FTP back to market - great bargaining chip with DOJ'
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The day PS buying FTP thing appear on the same day GBT deal declared dead above speculation came to my tiny mind. PS will drag it as long as they can and finally will say sorry its too complicated to complete. By the time PS say deal is dead or dont say anything about deal, it will be beyond complicated and near impossible to acquire/revive FTP by anyone.

Agreed. And, we'll all have the geniuses at the DOJ to thank for their great judgement.

[andyg2001]

Originally Posted by Wizzard89

I have seen lots of people post that PS said the "deal" is not dead but I must have missed when they confirmed there was a "deal" in the first place!
The only thing I saw was when the rumours started they said "we are in negotiations with the DOJ and cannot comment" there was never any mention that part of those negotiation included FTP .

or did I miss that "tweet"
yes we have heard it from DF but when did PS say they were working on a deal "INCLUDING" FTP?

The first thing saying this is the retweet by Eric Hollreiser yesterday.

[TY reload PLS]

Wizzard89,
^^ if its considered ray bitar's letter to Pocket kings employees is not false, he confirmed deal talk is going on with PS and PS is paying salaries of PK employees.

[zerosum79]

Originally Posted by TY reload PLS

https://twitter.com/JamesBarnesEsq
'Pokerstars folds on FTP deal. Never real deal, just bluff to prevent Tapie from bringing FTP back to market - great bargaining chip with DOJ'
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The day PS buying FTP thing appear on the same day GBT deal declared dead above speculation came to my tiny mind. PS will drag it as long as they can and finally will say sorry its too complicated to complete. By the time PS say deal is dead or dont say anything about deal, it will be beyond complicated and near impossible to acquire/revive FTP by anyone.

Nice find.

[starvingwriter82]

Originally Posted by Wizzard89

I have seen lots of people post that PS said the "deal" is not dead but I must have missed when they confirmed there was a "deal" in the first place!
The only thing I saw was when the rumours started they said "we are in negotiations with the DOJ and cannot comment" there was never any mention that part of those negotiation included FTP .

or did I miss that "tweet"
yes we have heard it from DF but when did PS say they were working on a deal "INCLUDING" FTP?

We haven't heard anything specifically mentioning FTP from Stars, because (wait for it....) they're not saying anything.

People very likely to be in the know , including GBT and Ray Bitar, have mentioned Pokerstars by name. That's about as close as you get get to an inside source without having sexual relations with Isai himself.

[Hash1982]

Originally Posted by TY reload PLS

https://twitter.com/JamesBarnesEsq
'Pokerstars folds on FTP deal. Never real deal, just bluff to prevent Tapie from bringing FTP back to market - great bargaining chip with DOJ'
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The day PS buying FTP thing appear on the same day GBT deal declared dead above speculation came to my tiny mind. PS will drag it as long as they can and finally will say sorry its too complicated to complete. By the time PS say deal is dead or dont say anything about deal, it will be beyond complicated and near impossible to acquire/revive FTP by anyone.

Cross posting from the locked thread:
http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/29/news-views-gossip/pokerstars-ftp-offer-just-bluff-1221006/#post33707253

Diamond_Flush posts:

I've heard this "it's always been just a sham to take down FTP and get Tapie out" before, long before this week. Also about the supposed connection to Isai Scheinberg's criminal case concerns being part of this deal.

I am calling b.s. and telling you, neither is true.

This is only my opinion...

I totally accept that there are people, for various reasons, that would not want this deal to go through.

As to the whole fakeout thing though, if PokerStars were ready to close its doors and just sit back and count their money, thats one thing, but as a company who has everything to gain for short and long term, to see that players are repaid while settling their own civil issues with DOJ, do you (collective you) really believe that there is no down side to them either playing the DOJ by just pretending to be interested in absorbing the FTP account balances? There are some casual players out there that have no clue what transpired on Black Friday, or before or after. But PokerStars must depend on a global community to continue being their customers. Double screwing those players out of $350 million has no upside if they want to continue to operate. It would be corporate suicide.

She also confirmed that Pokerstars are paying FTP employees' July salaries.

[Wizzard89]

[QUOTE=starvingwriter82;33717604]We haven't heard anything specifically mentioning FTP from Stars, because (wait for it....) they're not saying anything.

People very likely to be in the know , including GBT and Ray Bitar, have mentioned Pokerstars by name. That's about as close as you get get to an inside source without having sexual relations with Isai himself.[/QUOTE]

and yet---everybody is saying that they "tweeted" last night saying the "deal" is not dead. If they are not saying anything in regards to there even being a "deal" to start with then i have a small problem with the reports that they "tweeted" last night that the "deal" is still alive.

[andyg2001]

Originally Posted by starvingwriter82

As far as I can tell this guy is totally talking out of his ass? I don't get why Pokerstars would need to fake a deal at length to prevent a GBT deal that was never going to happen regardless of Stars' involvement or lack thereof.

The only reason the stars deal got mentioned the same day as the GBT deal being dead, is because GBT was the one that name dropped Pokerstars, and they did it in the announcement saying their own deal fell through. So.... I guess GBT is in on the big bluff to push....GBT...out of the market.... wait....

If GBT hadn't mentioned a stars deal in the works, we likely would have gone weeks without even knowing about it.

The first mention of a Pokerstars deal was when it was posted on this forum. Not from GBT.

Originally Posted by starvingwriter82

We haven't heard anything specifically mentioning FTP from Stars, because (wait for it....) they're not saying anything.

People very likely to be in the know , including GBT and Ray Bitar, have mentioned Pokerstars by name. That's about as close as you get get to an inside source without having sexual relations with Isai himself.

Eric Hollreiser who is the head of corp communications for PokerStars has retweeted claims that he said the FT deal is not dead.

https://twitter.com/erichollreiser

[MuppetPower]

Originally Posted by andyg2001

Eric Hollreiser who is the head of corp communications for PokerStars has retweeted claims that he said the FT deal is not dead.https://twitter.com/erichollreiser

I love the fact that he doesn't tweet directly that the deal isn't dead, but retweets others saying that he said it isn't dead

[mapleleaf]

Originally Posted by It'sOn

I'm going to assume Ray Bitar knew what he was talking about when he said in his email that Stars would pay employee salaries in July and then assume them as employees thereafter.

Presumably, that means we're very close, and this endless speculation about how long this could still drag out is silly.

Subsequent events be damned!

[starvingwriter82]

Originally Posted by andyg2001

The first mention of a Pokerstars deal was when it was posted on this forum. Not from GBT.

I hate to say "Source?" but... where do you think the forum poster(s) got their info? AFAIK the first time Pokerstars was mentioned by name by anyone not purely speculating was GBT.

People had mentioned Stars as a potential buyer before, sure, but where is the first time it was mentioned where it didn't come directly from someone using their anus to form human speech?

[bizzle03]

Originally Posted by MuppetPower

I love the fact that he doesn't tweet directly that the deal isn't dead, but retweets others saying that he said it isn't dead

Maybe a retweet doesn't violate the terms of the NDA or the requirements of confidentiality in settlement negotiations, whereas, a direct tweet does. Not much has been settled in the area of twitter law.

(That's a joke)

So maybe if people just tweet to him, "@erichollreiser There is an agreement in place to buy Full Tilt", he can just retweet it and let us know.

(Again, a joke).

[andyg2001]

Originally Posted by starvingwriter82

I hate to say "Source?" but... where do you think the forum poster(s) got their info? AFAIK the first time Pokerstars was mentioned by name by anyone not purely speculating was GBT.

People had mentioned Stars as a potential buyer before, sure, but where is the first time it was mentioned where it didn't come directly from someone using their anus to form human speech?

No there was I post that got deleted then undelted when a mod was told by sources that it was ture. This was hours before any cooment by GBT.

[tamiller866]

Originally Posted by starvingwriter82

I hate to say "Source?" but... where do you think the forum poster(s) got their info? AFAIK the first time Pokerstars was mentioned by name by anyone not purely speculating was GBT.

People had mentioned Stars as a potential buyer before, sure, but where is the first time it was mentioned where it didn't come directly from someone using their anus to form human speech?

First mention of PS/FTP deal

[TBadr]

Originally Posted by starvingwriter82

I hate to say "Source?" but... where do you think the forum poster(s) got their info? AFAIK the first time Pokerstars was mentioned by name by anyone not purely speculating was GBT.

People had mentioned Stars as a potential buyer before, sure, but where is the first time it was mentioned where it didn't come directly from someone using their anus to form human speech?

If my memory serves me right, this thread was posted early on 4/24

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/29...pm-pt-1197424/

then followed by GBT announcement and DF article later that same day

http://diamondflushpoker.com/2012/04...ct-vs-fiction/

I can't find it now but i believe that someone else posted the same thing on internet poker that day saying he was told vy a relative that works for PS.

...at least this is how i remember the progression of events.