FTP Discussion Thread (Everything but big new news goes here. Cliffs in OP)

[SGT RJ]

Originally Posted by zizek

Why not? Some "rigtarding" theories actually make sense, and have been discussed/proposed by intelligent, well respected members of the community. That close-minded, dismissive attitude is exactly what let Full Tilt get away with everything in the first place.

Because there is already a dedicated rigtarding thread.

Same reason why intelligent discussions of FTP take place here or about politics takes place in Politards.

[starvingwriter82]

Originally Posted by zizek

Why not? Some "rigtarding" theories actually make sense, and have been discussed/proposed by intelligent, well respected members of the community. That close-minded, dismissive attitude is exactly what let Full Tilt get away with everything in the first place.

Do you think this topic in this thread really deserves another hundred page derail? As much fun as it would be to read long ranty posts accusing everyone from Annie Duke to Daniel Negraneau to the man in the moon for rigging FTP, followed by fifteen pages of pictures of people wearing tinfoil hats, the answer is.... not really.

If anyone had anything at all to substantiate claims of FTP being rigged, it would certainly be threadworthy in its own right and shouldn't be posted here anyway.

If you have proof: Start a new thread.
If you don't: Put it in the rigtard thread where it belongs.

I know getting people to post in the right spot in NVG is like herding coked out cats, but I'm glad the mods put forth the effort.

[serio562]

Checking this thread for news and....

[downgoesdown]

Originally Posted by serio562

Checking this thread for news and....

don't waste your time doing that, just check the main page of nvg and a new thread will be started with any big news

[zizek]

My concern is that Full Tilt was clearly under serious financial pressure in the year leading up to Black Friday that led to drastic- no, absolutely insane- decisions like accepting phantom deposits to retain their consumer base. One of the best ways to keep players on the site would be to artificially offset the fishes' losses at the expense of winning players. A subtle enough alteration would be extremely difficult to prove as statistically relevant, but distributed across thousands of players would absolutely affect the site in a meaningful way.

My point is that for all the pressure being put on Full Tilt's accounting, the integrity of the software itself has flown completely under the radar despite the motive for sabotage being absolutely consistent with everything we know now about Full Tilt. This is very relevant to the topic at hand, labeling the possibility of Full Tilt being rigged prima facie as "retarded" is very inappropriate. The fact is that the sensitivity of this topic is extremely high. For the Full Tilt brand to resurface- which, to be sure, is the best result for everyone- it's vital that the whole debacle comes across as mere financial mismanagement. I think so too, and I wouldn't share that kind of information even if I had it. But don't dismiss that possibility as retarded, because it isn't.

[pokerchef12]

Originally Posted by serio562

Checking this thread for news and....

+1

I miss the softwere, sound and my money.

[JuiceQ]

Originally Posted by zizek

My concern is that Full Tilt was clearly under serious financial pressure in the year leading up to Black Friday that led to drastic- no, absolutely insane- decisions like accepting phantom deposits to retain their consumer base. One of the best ways to keep players on the site would be to artificially offset the fishes' losses at the expense of winning players. A subtle enough alteration would be extremely difficult to prove as statistically relevant, but distributed across thousands of players would absolutely affect the site in a meaningful way.

My point is that for all the pressure being put on Full Tilt's accounting, the integrity of the software itself has flown completely under the radar despite the motive for sabotage being absolutely consistent with everything we know now about Full Tilt. This is very relevant to the topic at hand, labeling the possibility of Full Tilt being rigged prima facie as "retarded" is very inappropriate. The fact is that the sensitivity of this topic is extremely high. For the Full Tilt brand to resurface- which, to be sure, is the best result for everyone- it's vital that the whole debacle comes across as mere financial mismanagement. I think so too, and I wouldn't share that kind of information even if I had it. But don't dismiss that possibility as retarded, because it isn't.

I hate "poker is rigged" threads and posts. But This man speaks truth =).


Dont forget that as far as i know of, biggest arguments against "poker is rigged" were

1. Its all regulated by someone who gives them license
2. Why would they do that, risking their reputation, considering they make tons of monies anyway.

Well i think given what we´v learned during last year, both of these arguments are pretty laughable =)

[bizzle03]

Originally Posted by pokerchef12

+1

I miss the softwere, sound and my money.

You could actually go into the software files on your computer and play the sounds. Though, I'd say that is hitting a new low.

[insomniac86]

Originally Posted by bizzle03

You could actually go into the software files on your computer and play the sounds. Though, I'd say that is hitting a new low.

way ahead of you. i modded the full tilt sounds on to pokerstars a loooooong time ago

[SGT RJ]

Originally Posted by zizek

My concern is that Full Tilt was clearly under serious financial pressure in the year leading up to Black Friday that led to drastic- no, absolutely insane- decisions like accepting phantom deposits to retain their consumer base. One of the best ways to keep players on the site would be to artificially offset the fishes' losses at the expense of winning players. A subtle enough alteration would be extremely difficult to prove as statistically relevant, but distributed across thousands of players would absolutely affect the site in a meaningful way.

My point is that for all the pressure being put on Full Tilt's accounting, the integrity of the software itself has flown completely under the radar despite the motive for sabotage being absolutely consistent with everything we know now about Full Tilt. This is very relevant to the topic at hand, labeling the possibility of Full Tilt being rigged prima facie as "retarded" is very inappropriate. The fact is that the sensitivity of this topic is extremely high. For the Full Tilt brand to resurface- which, to be sure, is the best result for everyone- it's vital that the whole debacle comes across as mere financial mismanagement. I think so too, and I wouldn't share that kind of information even if I had it. But don't dismiss that possibility as retarded, because it isn't.

I think you're reading too much into the use of the word rigtarding.

If a serious, viable thread with proof that FTP was rigged were to emerge, it would be allowed a stand alone thread. That isn't what was happening in this thread at this time, however.

Originally Posted by starvingwriter82

I know getting people to post in the right spot in NVG is like herding coked out cats, but I'm glad the mods put forth the effort.

This made me LOL.

[pokerchef12]

Originally Posted by bizzle03

You could actually go into the software files on your computer and play the sounds. Though, I'd say that is hitting a new low.

cool, couldnt resist, hitting the new low then i guess

Originally Posted by insomniac86

way ahead of you. i modded the full tilt sounds on to pokerstars a loooooong time ago

Is this hard to do ?

[Noisecore]

Originally Posted by pokerchef12

cool, couldnt resist, hitting the new low then i guess



Is this hard to do ?

no, just give the full tilt sounds the same name as the respective one of the stars client and overwrite i guess.

[lilwhaldo]

Originally Posted by zizek

My concern is that Full Tilt was clearly under serious financial pressure in the year leading up to Black Friday that led to drastic- no, absolutely insane- decisions like accepting phantom deposits to retain their consumer base. One of the best ways to keep players on the site would be to artificially offset the fishes' losses at the expense of winning players. A subtle enough alteration would be extremely difficult to prove as statistically relevant, but distributed across thousands of players would absolutely affect the site in a meaningful way.

My point is that for all the pressure being put on Full Tilt's accounting, the integrity of the software itself has flown completely under the radar despite the motive for sabotage being absolutely consistent with everything we know now about Full Tilt. This is very relevant to the topic at hand, labeling the possibility of Full Tilt being rigged prima facie as "retarded" is very inappropriate. The fact is that the sensitivity of this topic is extremely high. For the Full Tilt brand to resurface- which, to be sure, is the best result for everyone- it's vital that the whole debacle comes across as mere financial mismanagement. I think so too, and I wouldn't share that kind of information even if I had it. But don't dismiss that possibility as retarded, because it isn't.

You're right they rigged it for all 2 million hands I played. That's why I won. Good thing the govt stepped in to save us from these horrible men. Now we can have good old American corporations that are totally honest and not crooks.

[flight2q]

What's wrong with us? Can't we just enjoy a nice jaw-dropping post?
:jawdrop: at Benyamine calling up his buddy at FTP "your rigged site cost me another quarter million today, drop another loan into my account". Or.. later.. "your rigged site cost me another quarter million today, give me a quarter million for my next tourney appearance".

[three_dee]

Originally Posted by JuiceQ

I hate "poker is rigged" threads and posts. But This man speaks truth =).


Dont forget that as far as i know of, biggest arguments against "poker is rigged" were

1. Its all regulated by someone who gives them license
2. Why would they do that, risking their reputation, considering they make tons of monies anyway.

Well i think given what we´v learned during last year, both of these arguments are pretty laughable =)

They are, but those are not the arguments why Full Tilt wasn't rigged.

The reason we know it is not rigged is because we have, literally, billions upon billions of hand histories that show no evidence of rigging.

If you or the guy you quoted have the Rosetta Stone of Full Tilt rigging please present it and you will be celebrated throughout the community as a pioneer.