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05-30-2012 , 06:35 PM
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Originally Posted by CANUCKEH44
Your avatar gives me nightmares.

Not sure what you are saying here. AFAIK Row players with <1k or something like that were going to be paid out. Players with large sums were going to get 100.00 to start and their balances were going to be paid out over 5 yrs or something in that neighborhood. Like Bonuses.
I lol'ed for days at that one.
If you didn't play you were going to be charged a penalty (a certain % of your balance. More lol.
Yes or no.
I think it took a while but PS waited until the last minute to swoop in.
Anyway. GBT deal was a bad one for those waiting for their money, Those who had large rolls anyhow. IMO.
All players would get $100 they could takeout at the start. The rest was to be paid over time. Which could be up to 5 years for some players. only players with $100 or less would have been paid in full at the start.
05-30-2012 , 06:38 PM
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Originally Posted by IamPro
All depends on when/how poker in the US gets regulated, if it goes well then I can see that having a boom in other countries copying US and eventually having global player pools again... that atm is a pipe dream but can still realistically happen if politicians get their heads out of their asses
I hope you're right, I think it's more likely US authorities keep poker closed in the US to avoid money laundering/channelling funds to extremists/criminals abroad. Plus the huge corporations in the US will want to exclude outside competition so they only have to lobby that argument - what politician really cares about the size of player pools?
05-30-2012 , 06:41 PM
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Originally Posted by andyg2001
All players would get $100 they could takeout at the start. The rest was to be paid over time. Which could be up to 5 years for some players. only players with $100 or less would have been paid in full at the start.
sure beats the whole lot of nothing we've got now...and I'm not convinced PS is going to be the saviour we all hope it will be.
05-30-2012 , 06:41 PM
I'm in a bad mood today so prob best to ignore my rants - I'm really pessimistic about the prospects of playing on FTP again though.
05-30-2012 , 06:43 PM
At least Lampard isn't injured for the Euros..........
05-30-2012 , 06:44 PM
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Originally Posted by andyg2001
All players would get $100 they could takeout at the start. The rest was to be paid over time. Which could be up to 5 years for some players. only players with $100 or less would have been paid in full at the start.



NOT a FACT speculated RUMOURS!! that was the "talk" on the street that some un-named source provided for some other un-name story writer that was NEVER confirmed !!!
TAPIE never said what his plans were except that 95 (or 94.9%) would be paid off right away.
05-30-2012 , 06:45 PM
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Originally Posted by ThomasMoyes
It has NEVER been confirmed by DOJ or PS that they have ever even thought about buying FTP, the idea that they are is just speculation and news from 'sources'...What's wrong with PS saying 'we are looking into the viability of taking over FTP assets'...companies announce takeover talks all the time.

We don't know anything...we don't even know that PS is thinking about FTP to sum it up.
Maybe the conversation went like this.

GBT: Tired of this, I'm out.
FTP: Hold on bro let's stall more. Let's just say we're still talking.
GBT: I'll announce it if you don't. Don't waste my time. I'm a Tapie. I don't want people calling me about this, I'm done. Put up an announcement or I'll #$#* you up.
FTP: Whoa no problem bro, it's cool, we're cool man. Just an idea. Let's just also say PS is looking into buying us and act like it's totally gonna happen.
PS: wut?
FTP: Dude just pretend, don't be a #$@. Nobody likes a #$@.
PS: I dunno, it's just that... wait what were we tlaking about? lolz I'm so fkd up
FTP: Squirrel!
PS: Oh no way, rad!
05-30-2012 , 06:50 PM
^^ probably just as accurate as all the other news we have heard since PS said they don't comment on ongoing negotiations!

*but apparently they tell unknown sites (that are covered in advertising for some reason??) all of their plans and activities.

FTP are never going to say "GBT deal is dead...unlikely you'll get anything now" only way PS buys FTP is if DOJ says OK you settle for $750m or you settle for $750m and we'll throw in FTP assets with player balances.
05-30-2012 , 06:54 PM
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Originally Posted by Wizzard89
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NOT a FACT speculated RUMOURS!! that was the "talk" on the street that some un-named source provided for some other un-name story writer that was NEVER confirmed !!!
TAPIE never said what his plans were except that 95 (or 94.9%) would be paid off right away.
Well the claim did come from one of most respected sources on 2+2.
05-30-2012 , 06:58 PM
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Originally Posted by andyg2001
Well the claim did come from one of most respected sources on 2+2.
Wrong. Chinamaniac was not the source for this.
05-30-2012 , 07:00 PM
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Originally Posted by SpecialOne
Wrong. Chinamaniac was not the source for this.
05-30-2012 , 07:06 PM
So has any decent source indicated that PS is actually actively negotiating on FTP assets?

Last edited by NoahSD; 05-30-2012 at 08:40 PM.
05-30-2012 , 07:08 PM
did the euro players get there money back? or is everyones money on hold?
05-30-2012 , 07:11 PM
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Originally Posted by PeoplesElbow
did the euro players get there money back? or is everyones money on hold?
Only those who took there money of before June 29th 2011. I got 11k off, but still have 15k plus about 2k worth of points and meadls on there.
05-30-2012 , 07:12 PM
Everyone got rivered...everyone saw it coming....everyone was still surprised...we all remain hopeful there was some cards missing in the deck and require a re-deal...
05-30-2012 , 07:13 PM
I got $2k off on June 4th 2011 for 'emergency purposes' during my trip to Bali for a month...came back too late to find out I shouldn't have spent it all!
05-30-2012 , 07:36 PM
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Originally Posted by la6ki
^^ +1.

I'm also not playing at Stars again if they don't complete the deal at this point.
Me neither.
05-30-2012 , 08:03 PM
Didn't Tapie say the reason negotiations fell through was because Pokerstars started negotiating with the DOJ???
05-30-2012 , 08:07 PM
No that's not it all all Jesus
05-30-2012 , 08:08 PM
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Originally Posted by friendlyman
Didn't Tapie say the reason negotiations fell through was because Pokerstars started negotiating with the DOJ???
He may or may not have said that, but it's irrelevant and incorrect. Tapie pulled out of negotiations when he wouldn't come up with more money and meet DOJ's terms.

He had many months to negotiate under a window of exclusivity, and couldn't close the deal. PS has allegedly made some sort of offer, once Tapie's exclusive negotiating window with DOJ expired.
05-30-2012 , 08:09 PM
wow, my ignore list is almost reaching max capacity
05-30-2012 , 08:18 PM
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Originally Posted by squeebo
Maybe the conversation went like this.

GBT: Tired of this, I'm out.
FTP: Hold on bro let's stall more. Let's just say we're still talking.
GBT: I'll announce it if you don't. Don't waste my time. I'm a Tapie. I don't want people calling me about this, I'm done. Put up an announcement or I'll #$#* you up.
FTP: Whoa no problem bro, it's cool, we're cool man. Just an idea. Let's just also say PS is looking into buying us and act like it's totally gonna happen.
PS: wut?
FTP: Dude just pretend, don't be a #$@. Nobody likes a #$@.
PS: I dunno, it's just that... wait what were we tlaking about? lolz I'm so fkd up
FTP: Squirrel!
PS: Oh no way, rad!

I am questioning the immediate flip flop from Tapie tapping out and stars suddenly being in.

People assume that the doj turned Tapie down because of someone else. I think they turned Tapie down because his payout proposal was a glorified marketing scheme and not a payout proposal at all. People really need to understand that the DOJ has no real motivation to see FTP come back to life. What Tapie offered did not really match up with anything they tried to do.

I just question the sudden rumor shift to stars because it is an easy cover as stars can't deny it and they are meeting with the doj for other issues.

I don't know if it is a serious deal or not. I just want anyone with sources to examine the situation through the prism that anyone related to FTP is a completely unreliable source and then see how things look then.

Just like with Tapie the Doj holds all the cards and they could care less if FTP ever existed again. In fact they would likely want it to stay dismantled. So you have to really think about the motivations involved.

As a pure business deal stars buying FTP is a no starter. It is only worth a very small fraction of the cost of player paybacks to them. So they have to get some concessions or benefits from the DOJ.

The question is why would the DOJ want to give any concessions or benefits to Stars?
05-30-2012 , 08:39 PM
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Originally Posted by ThomasMoyes
So has any decent source indicated that PS is actually actively negotiating on FTP assets?
They are.

And please don't ask for places to watch stuff illegally on 2p2.
05-30-2012 , 08:49 PM
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Originally Posted by NoahSD
They are.
Aaaand, that's why I skim this thread every now and again.
05-30-2012 , 08:51 PM
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Originally Posted by therealjohnny416
Aaaand, that's why I skim this thread every now and again.
+1

      
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