OP, You come off as such a mark I'd worry about this guy coming back and victimizing you again... maybe instead of "suicidal" thoughts he gets homicidal ones instead. Similar to what happened to Versace.

I didn't know Dan already knew where the $ was. Nix my question about horse knowing location of monies.

Why specifically do you "highly doubt" the horse could, or would be a lookout?

Was the beer Dan drank the horses'? Sounds dumb, I know but bare with me.

I may have more questions depending on answers.Maybe quite a few.

First off, I agree with everything zacvac said. I almost commented that there was a big difference (in my mind) between poker players and busto degens. Most poker players, and by that I mean winning players, are very trustworthy.

Ya entirely possible. My thought is I was targeted just because I stake people for live poker and not many other people do. The person who made the same comment before you about me being naive is right. I'm 24, live and learn.

I let him take whatever stuff he wanted. That stuff means nothing to me, but it's all he has. I would rather give him all of his stuff and move on with my life. That's much better than having a blowup with him and having a mentally unstable person stalking me.

For an ugly situation, I'd say he left on pretty good terms with me. We texted a little after and he confided in me some. Not sure how much is true because I'm not taking the things he says at face value anymore obv.

Dan woke me up at 4:00 am asking for money. He watched as I staggered out of bed and gave him some money.

The horse doesn't seem the type to do that. He has stuck around since and made me a good bit through staking. If he was scamming me he would be skimming on his numbers, instead he's making $95/hr at $2/$5.

The beer Dan drank was not the same horse that was on the couch downstairs while Dan was showering upstairs.

Hey man no one is perfect and no one has the right to judge you on what you did besides God. We are all human and make mistakes. You should grow from this and treat this as a learning experience. I am glad you came forth and told the truth about this.

Poker players are gamblers, degenerates and losers, and all of them can potentially scam you or act dishonourably/immorally/unethically in a million different ways.

What if he's an atheist?

I used to play all online now play basically all live and while I'll agree w/ this statement in general it really comes down to the people you decide to surround yourself with.

If you are staking a guy that you say has no concept on PLO or basic pf selection or math then it really shouldn't be all that surprising when he loses a bunch at PLO then bounces w/ some extra money or reports wins as losses etc... The live setting just makes it so much easier for a stakee to report wins as losses and screw the backer.

Backing ppl you don't know well/trust online or live but esp live is a terrible idea imo.

Right but accountants/lawyers/insert other 9 to 5 job title can't potentially scam you? I mean it's a good life lesson that some people, especially when they're close to broke, when given the opportunity to scam/steal will do it.

When I describe someone as having no concept of PF hand selection or basic math, I'm describing 99% of LLSNL (no, I'm not exaggerating). Both of those things are an easy fix too, and I don't think either relates to the likelihood someone steals money off you.

I've backed 15-20 people that I didn't know. This year, I had three people beat me for money. That's going to happen and while I can work to prevent that, I don't want to do so much that I lose potential earnings from it.
I'm still up six figures from staking this year despite my recent scams. I view it as a calculated risk, and strongly disagree with it being a terrible idea, but to each his own.

I've been the victim of two Skype scams/phishers in the last 2 years and I run a relatively low avg buyin. Apparently these scams are getting easier and easier to pull off. All of us legit honest players need to watch out for ourselves.

calculated risk or not, after reading this through I think you should atleast make it a little bit harder for the scammers. Seems like you dont do much... And I recommend you not to shout out loud here or anywhere else that
you´re willing to stake pretty much anyone and dont mind too much if u get fcked every now and then.

Good luck...

Very sad story, I'd like to think the list of names are his list of people he intends on doing right by eventually.

I assure you if I staked anyone, I'd have hundreds of horses right now. I'm fairly selective although do take more risks than most which has worked out well for me. I made a mistake here, no use crying about it. Just going to move on and hopefully do better in the future with everything I did wrong here.

Thanks to anyone who offered advice or support.

I like to think that too, but maybe too optimistic.


That's pretty much all I have to say about the issue. I've talked to a few people in private as well. Seems the guy I'm talking about is indeed Flapjack1270.
The encryption software he had was called Bitlock by Microsoft (as a housemate recalls). I'm not familiar with that stuff at all, I just thought it was suspicious for a personal laptop along with the many sim cards, phones, and USBs.

Feel free to PM me if you think I can be of help to the issue anymore.

My conclusions:

1) Not a superuser, just a scammer.

2) He's a degenerate who was broke and smelled an easy mark. He was serious in wanting you to stake him. Why not? It was free money for him to try to get his life back on track.

3) It wasn't premeditated to steal from you. That's why he left his stuff behind.

4) After he kept losing, and asked for that cash in exchange for the check, he saw where you had the money, as you pointed out. This was not a premeditated way to find out where you kept your cash, but rather a new opportunity he noticed that he couldn't resist.

5) He probably hadn't decided at the time to steal the cash, but rather considered it back and forth, eventually deciding to do it. When he did decide to steal the cash, he used the shower thing as a cover, stole it, and quickly left to go play. He probably did shoot the money off at the local casino. He probably reasoned to himself that he would win, and then return the cash before you realized it was gone. That's also why he didn't take his stuff.

6) After a few days of super-degenerate play at the casino, he came back, figuring you probably didn't know the money was gone. When you confronted him, he realized the jig was up, and he had to leave. Knowing you were such a passive guy, he had the nerve to ask to do laundry before he left (which you agreed!) He likely took what he really wanted during the "laundry" visit, and never came back.


This simply was NOT a premeditated plan to steal from you, or he wouldn't have left any stuff behind, nor would he have returned to the scene of the crime just to save a few bucks on using a laundromat. This was a sick, selfish individual, who used you first as a staker, then graduated to bad-check-writing when the stake was drying, and then graduated to direct cash theft when he lost the money from the bad check.

This completely lacked organization and logic.

This chump also wasn't a superuser, as he has no known association with UB, nor would he have been devastated by Black Friday (as he would have known the truth that UB was broke, and wouldn't have held that kind of money on there.) Also, all evidence suggests the superusing stopped after 2008.

If he was really a terrible player, yet won huge online, it is possible that he shared his account with others.

Bitlocker is a Microsoft hard drive encryption software. It's included in many versions of Windows. If that's all he had, then it wouldn't be a cause for concern. It's definitely not a hacking tool of any kind.

So you have been beaten up 3 times this year on top of the couple of scams that have been made public and the others you have suggested?

I know you don't want to give up staking and neither would I if I made 6 figures a year. If I was you and I was making so much each year I'd possibly think of paying someone I could trust like my brother or cousin etc to work for me watching my back, to discuss things over with and even to say no to people for you (as you say you have a hard time doing it).

Because I am pretty sure had you had someone trustworthy you could talk things over with and help to make decisions in your best interest they would have wrote back to Flapjack and told him simply to look elsewhere for staking when he first made contact and avoided all this.

wow this DHC guy...........

lol

Im not sure which is more sad; that note or dhcg86.

Witnessing that dhcg meltdown with every f5 was pretty sad.... That was one train wreck I would have rather not rubbernecked tbh

what ended up happening with that dhc situation?

lol

Don't think you read that correctly. Doesn't seem like he was saying he got beat up 3 times over money, he's just saying that 3 people were able to scam him this year (dhcg, flapjack, and 1 other guy). Getting scammed sometimes unfortunately does come with the territory of staking, even online obv. It sucks that there are ****ty people out there, but it's a calculated risk and there are precautions you can take to lower the risks. Props to kydd for warning people about the guy, some people don't do that and it makes it easier for people to keep scamming.

Spot on.

wat

What does it achieve exactly?

You think it's smart to gang bash a guy with clear mental issues who not only knows where you live but the intricate details of your cribs layout?

You like prison?

Good luck with your life