The probability of this being entirely innocent is very very low. I suspect that this problem is far more widespread than we know too.

1) the streaming software was on my pc not OPs.
2) Gary not Garry.
3) I beat the games just fine, e.g. or no ev adjusted.

Not sure if you're misinformed or rhetorically lying but either way this is completely false

I tried using tableninja, 2 years ago and it was annoying me that it can't read the pot size on the screen. After I moved PT4 hud it worked fine.

Collette,

Not surprising you and your colleagues and affiliates haven't chimed in on any of this. I assume this is way over your heads and securities.

How many more months will we have to wait for ANY security improvements. Your team mow is proven to be completely inept. Seems like its time to hire new management that get things done and have a clue at Party Poker. How many refunds have you issed for players using these soohisticated real time assisting tools that are widely known to be used? None? Zero? 0$?

You're terrible at protecting the integrity of games and no matter if you give 500% rakeback it doesn't change this fact

You will never get a useful response if you continue to take your wild, rude, flailing, personal attacking approach. From your history of work in this (and other) threads, I assume that you know that, and that it's more about your need to lash out.

On the off chance that you're serious in your efforts, but simply lack basic social skills, I'll take the chance that you might benefit from this gentle reminder. But I'm 99% expecting you to flame away like you always do - in which case, the joke is on me for trying.

I am hereby gently requesting a useful response from Collette on this matter. Thank you.

Pads it's been nearly a month yet no follow up on your respnse. (post 342)

To which matter are you referring please?
The thread has been derailed and discussing PS tools....

The OP issues have all been resolved and I have offered feedback previously in the thread
The other players with genuine complaints/issues I have also feedback and resolved

Feedback offered has been shared with the various teams for review
Further concerns can of course be addressed via the official treads

So how did the "cheating thingy" end?

OP still banned from stars for cheating.

OP not banned from party, because party is a network built for cheaters. The screenshots were taken while he was also playing on party.

OP still runs a stable of coaching for profit on this forum

the poker community; where everyone supports cheaters as long as they profit from them!

Unbelievable. This is what i meant collette. Why are these converter users not ****ing banned yet?

This is very true. Perhaps it's time for an open discussion about the effects of the large stables? They are sucking out an enormous amount of money from the poker community, and even the ones that fail are ultimately creating grinders which is clearly no good for the game, even if they are roughly break even players.

Poker (and the horses for the most part) would very much be better off without them.

I'm not sure the poker sites themselves actually understand the influence they are having in the long term. Culling the stables would have an enormously positive effect on the ecosystem and probably the bottom line of the sites too as a result.

The idea that poker would be dead without them is quite frankly laughable. You've lost a lot of credibility by saying that pads. The poster who said your comment is self serving is spot on.

In cash games, i cant speak for MTTs, stables do not have that much of an effect. Most are breakeven players at best. Ive played on a super soft network through a stable a couple years ago. I had 9-12 table all by myself with recs and sometimes 1 local reg, he would almost be a fish on stars.
Once the stable grew a lot, it was still extremely soft.

The day it started to get bad, was when all the bots came. I was talking with the manager and he assured me it had nothing to do with this, bots were rare.. Yet every update, the converter didnt work for a day and i was there playing 12 tables with only fishes... and as soon as the bots were fixed: it was back to 1 fish per table.

Same goes for party, 888 and other networks. As soon as we have an update, bots are gone for a few hours and even at midstakes you get 4-5 fish per tables. Recently someone posted, after an update on party, that all the unknown regs were gone and it was hyper fishy. I, myself, have played 6 tables on party with only fishes after a bot crash.


That is why pokerstars zoom games are amazing and you get 2-3 fish per tables(most of the time) even at 100-200, there's almost no bots!

Rooms don't want to ban bots, all the human regs play on stars. That's why the networks are TOTALLY empty when the bots are offline. Even party, 888, ipoker, mpn. You barely have 5 tables running from 50 to 1k if bots are offline... All the human regs play stars.

Last week i saw a bot crash on 888, 4 fish per table nl200. 2-3fish nl 600-1k.

literally, if party actually wanted to ban bots.. most fastforward 0.5bb winnning regs would get up to 4-5bb's.

Only way to fix online poker, would be for the regs to stop acting all tough. Whats killing us is every reg that does not care about bots because they want to be macho men with their "sick" 25$ hourly

This guy has hit the nail on the head and online poker will be dead in no time if nothing is done about this.

I made this post in the party thread around 3 weeks ago....

I was then contacted by a 2p2'er who pointed me in the direction of a botting site that confirmed my suspicions and I sent this info to the party rep.... (site links have been blocked to stop the problem getting worse)

Sites need to get hold of this problem asap as these are not the bots that play abc poker and struggle to beat 5nl, they are decent and holding their own in the higher stakes games and will only continue to improve.

Well the thing is that the very reason they went with anon hand histories is for the bots not to be caught anymore (because how you can report the bot- you need converter to de-anonymize hand histories so people don't report for the fear of being banned too).

I don't think that 1/2 of the midstakes pool were bots- probably most of the guys were just waiting for their hand converter to be fixed (because they are screen scrapping the same as the bots do).

I mean I am only small stakes player mostly playing nl100 but remember first 1 1/2 month after the changes I had the best games online and was crushing normal tables and this was when only noelte/poker planer had the converter.I was also the guy that report it because was fed up with Party doing nothing about it and letting people cheat Now pretty much everyone but very few use converters and Party does nothing with it.So basically quit playing Party some time ago frustrated with the whole fiasco.

Lets be honest if the regs consitently don't play for 1-2 days every time you update your software they are either bots or converter users somehow this simple logic is too much for Party Poker stuff because they obviously can't get it.

The sites are too lazy to do anything, as it brings money to them.
You have to do a 100% of the work. The problem is most regs wont share stats on bots, most regs dont care.

I posted this before, Gazzyb123, Mixgrill(the cheater)'s friend and employee, told me to **** off when i asked him to check for x and x stats from fast forward bots at 100nl on party. Had he simply stopped being a proper ****, we'd have banned at least 20 bots in the next couple weeks.

He's a high volume player, his DB could uncover easily 50 highly winning bots. If people like him were not such pro-bot ****s, we could do a lot.

I have banned dozens of bots with the help of Lessu, but we both do not play that much so its hard to get most of them. I have 300k hands on party in almost 2 years, imagine what we could do with someone that plays 100k a month??

But no most of them are too busy peddling their breakeven strategy to help the future of online poker. Whining about bots would make them look like noobs to their noob (paying)followers(you know, the guys that came in the stars chest thread to defend mixgrill without knowing him)

Lmao I genuinely don't remember telling you to **** off Maxime. Proud of my past self for doing so!

Suprised you have time to post itt between your soup selling escapades and scamming the Cambodian brothers...

^^^

i think it is pretty important to remember that the guy who is tossing around the main accusations is a known and proven scammer with multiple past banned accounts on this forum

just a sad little man with too much time on his hands, i genuinely wonder if the bot problem affects him bc i'm not even sure he plays poker

BECAUSE Every manager at PP is a clueless useless dolt. They clearly do not have the resources or brainpower to stop this and are just stalling for theor big software reveal so everyone will forget a huge % of the people ising this new software are cheaters. PP you are useless

All the Russians will be offline for a few days, even though they play 8hrs ever day. None will get banned.

You also won't see mixgrill on party that day. There's a reason why he went from breakeven 100z reg right up to midstakes in a second. Also there's a reason he sends senpai and gazzyb to "defend" him in the weirdest way.

I've had 2 big name hs player message me about it, they had heard about some of that stuff before the post.

I too was part of the group with Lessu too and helped get a number of bots banned. I work full time now and so only play occasionally on Party at weekends.
Given that I can easily identify bots based on their stats I can confidently say that there are a lot of bots at 25-100nl FF. It's a big problem that needs sorting and certainly puts me off playing nowadays. Takes any enjoyment out of it when you know you are playing on tables full of non-tilting increasingly sophisticated bots.
Focusing on removing the bots and getting game integrity back would give online poker a new lease of life imo.

pp games always felt totally different to PS games to me. I guess the good news is that bots can be mostly stopped if enough effort is given like with PS

jfc you're an insufferable little twit, nobody was sent anywhere, there's some idiot using a screenshot of a glitch to try to start a witch hunt against someone bc they're a sad little person.

i'm out on the thread anyway, dildos who want to believe the main reason they fail is bc ppl who have accomplished more than them cheated will likely always think that way until they develop critical self analysis and i can't help that


gl and try not to scam anyone again

You saying that people using converters and bots do not exist on party? GTFO!