Everyone talks about how the game is constantly evolving so I figured I would start a thread where people can post some new "evolutions" in the game as they observe them.

Obviously, the tight is right strategy from the past evolved into aggression and position exploitation. What other changes have people observed and how else has the game been changing in your experience?

the more things change the more they stay the same.

less people calling raises preflop online. slightly less people calling raises preflop live. im calling raises preflop A LOT LESS.

I'm glad you started this thread bec I've been reading on here - over the course of years - whenever someone asks 'w/e happened to player X' some poster is sure to come along w/ 'the game has passed him bye.' And I think 'how many times can a game pass someone bye?' IMR, there are the same 52 cards in the deck that there were forever ago but the game is apparently under constant evolution - according to some - and forever passing players bye.

I'm putting the 0/U on the number of thoughtful replies w/i the next 24 hours at 20 and I think I'd bet the under.

Oh yeah cool O/U

The game has evolved so much. In the old days people didnt realise they could not bet without a made hand. The legend goes that some old time pro misread his hand and bet, villian folded, that was a light bulb moment and the birth of the bluff.

Nobody ever folds postflop now

are u talking about regular poker or no limit holdem?

People make dumber threads in nvg

Virtue.Poker

Phil Hellmuth: "Nobody triple barrel bluffs anymore".

Who's got 2 thumbs and is a poker evolution denier.....This Guy.

Game is the same as it's always been. Wild outrageous bluffs are extremely profitable still. And always go with your gut.

some things change some things stay the same but a 52 card deck is still a 52 card deck

Iv'e had issues / lols when hearing "the game passed them by" just like you seemingly have because I suspect, like you seem to, in many cases if you keep playing and adapting the game can't really pass you by - You can just get sick / bored / over it - But It's not like nlhe is wayyyyy above anyones head.

That said...At this point...Technically....

When you can't beat the game anymore whilst actually trying (doing what is necessary to win today) when you once have consistently it would be fair to say the game has passed them by.

That being said in a sense that would mean it has passed 65% of the players grinding because they are all b/e / rakeback grinding so....Yea. Great situation overall =)

People did bet with nothing in the old days, but calling with nothing in the early rounds (floating) wasn't that prevalent.

no, that was 2008

again, that was 2008. As the pros' strategies slowly converge towards some sort of gto approximation, we see a lot more calling/passive lines, obviously well balanced etc.

Simple example - in 2008-2012 calling 4bets was considered a mistake in pretty much every spot, these days everyone is calling 4bets extremely wide, even though avarege 4bet size has increased (though with gigantic 3bets these days 4bet sizings are going down again). People realised that realising your equity is more important than some abstract concepts like "initiative" or "agression".

I'd say that the biggest difference is the implementation of multiple bet sizes, in "the old days" most people were using just one bet sizing, slightly tweaked to board structure, with occasional exploitative overbets. Currently, everybody uses multiple betsizes for different parts of their range.

In 2009
-cbet 75%

In 2013
-cbet 75% and 50%

In 2017
-cbet 75%, 50% and 33%

In 2020
-minibet every time

I remember when an overcard and a backdoor flush draw was described as "missing the flop". It used to be that if someone floated you with the above, he was a whale. Now he's a fish if he folds it.

Similar used to apply to paired flops. Back in the days, if flop came paired and you didn't hit anything, it was a standard fold. Nowadays everyone has realized that if flop is paired, both players have less made hands and therefore c-bet/float much more liberally with air.

Seems like NLHE is transitioning back to an overall more passive game.

Wow! Executive video.

These guys should be TV poker comentators!

nah, it was way more passive 2 yrs ago, solvers have shown people that they can raise flops and turns, not only rivers, people forgot about that for a while it seemed

What movie is this?

Not a movie, the greatest tv series of all time IMO. The Wire

Perhaps the most appropriate video applied to context of a thread of all time. Well done.