I'm going to first give you some background of a player that caused a pretty sticky situation for a friend. There's about 6-8 regulars at a local home game I play and most of them are horrible nitty mousey style players whom never want to learn or adjust. One guy in particular has cursed me before for crushing his horribly played AA or KK etc..... He has repeatedly limped in late pos. w monsters and looses big. Ex he's to my direct right in the bb and I strattlle for $10. (Deep 1-2) basically the entire table limps as does the villan on my right w AA. Naturally I raised to say $40ish and get about 5 callers around to V. Who FLATS. WTF ( golden opportunity right???........ Needless to say he lost that pot.. And is confused..
I have tried time and time again to advise him and suggest diff. Plays, pos, spr, etc.... Has no interest at all to learn or adapt.

I'm totally fine with these players as I make tons of money off of them as they are so transparent..$$

Ok the situation..
I invite him him (villan / mousey-nit) and his friend to another home game. Game is 1-2-5 max 1k buy in. Most players here are good tags and will eat these guys up. I'm there with another friend who knows V style and exploits him a lot. Most players on the table are about 600+ me and another guy have well over $1500. V shows up and sits down for 100$ very typical btw. Never buys deep dosent understand.
He looses that quick along w about about 3 more buyins and of course reloads for $100 after about an hour he wins a few pots at showdown (of course) and has built his stack up to about 450$

The hand!!!
V is utg 450$ limps w AKo 2$
Utg+1 limps 2$
Utg+2 limps 2$
MP. Raises to 15$ ($800 behind)
MP+1 me folds
MP+2 calls +15
B (my friend) raises to $55. AKh ($220behind)
Sb folds 1$
Bb folds 2$

V utg calls 55$
2 folds
MP flats 55$ all others fold
3 way action to flop..
Pot $187 before rake
Flop comes 10h Jh Qc
V checks
MP checks
Hero goes all in for $220
P =407$
V flats
P= 627$
MP flats
P= 847$

Side pot..
V vs MP

Turn card 3d. (Blank)
V leads out .................$15
MP (WTF look on his face) calls 15$

River pairs board 10d
V leads out again ....................$20
MP( now like wtf for real!!!) raises $200 on top and
V insta calls...
MP has a boat ( obv...) 10J
My friend show his busted nuts. W royal draw and V shows his busted nuts w no draw. MP scoops all..

Now....... My friends goes absolutely APE **** basically because villan has the nuts and allows other player to draw. Played horribly..
I was in complete shock..
V replies damn I figures you had a boat.. Wtf???? Then reloads for 100$

Is it ok to go ape chit here when a know bad player continues to play bad and screw other players by his actions. And refuses to listen to others and learn????? All thoughts please! Thanks

It's OK to berate another player if that player is Howard Lederer or you are Phil Hellmuth. Otherwise it's bad form. Very bad form. And the berater should be kicked in the sack.

Yes you should always berate the worst player at the table until they pick up their money and leave.

never EVER berate this type of player. He has done nothing unethical or insulting other than just being a horrible player. If he was friends with the guy with the TJ I would be slightly tilted and be cautious in the future for softplaying etc, but as played... **** happens, be happy players like this still play poker

What if the berater is Selbst and no sack exists?

Lol.... Nice one.

Not only is this terrible English, it is worse logic. Sort of like screaming at the 3rd base BJ player when he takes a card with the Dealer showing a 6. Are things like dry side pot bets with an all in player annoying? Yes. But just play your own stinking hand and let your opponent play his.

...and quit trying to teach people who haven't asked for your advice at the Poker Table.

You seem confused. Bad players do not screw other players by playing badly. They screw themselves. If a bad player refuses to listen to others and learn, you want to make sure to play with them as often as possible.

I think the better question is, what is worse, berating a bad player, or teaching him to play better?

No soft play here. He's a very respectable older gentleman who likes to play poker. It was his first time ever at this game and had never met MP...
I had to have my friend back off and remind him how dead money he is. But it was just so groose..
V had NO clue what he did wrong.
"I was betting I had the best hand"
There's no explaining to him pot size/bet size etc....
I just wish he played deeper.

Basically my friend owes this guy an apology!!! ( I never want this guy to play better for my billfold)

This reminds me of when I'm playing blackjack and someone makes a bad play that keeps the dealer from busting. Odds, odds, and odds. It's best to inform them, even if sometimes you are mad and come off as berating, that there are odds they need to pay attention too and that those odds can hurt or help other people at the table.

No, berating bad players is hugely -EV, especially in a home game w/ other bad players.

For your friend to blame the bad player for him losing is pretty LOL. Kinda like seeing a blackjack player berating another for the way he played his cards because now the dealer didn't bust.

You say you wish the fish played deeper, but your friend doesn't even buy in enough to cover him. Sounds like you should be berating your friend.

Oh, what a terrible OP to read. Just way too "groose".

Someone with the nuts let someone else draw cards. That's rare.

I disagree. Let him play as he wishes and hope no one informs him of odds, when to raise, how much, or anything else. The more he learns that there's more to poker than he realizes, the less plus ev he is to have in the game. Let him enjoy the game even as he's losing or when he wins occasionally; tell him nice hand when he makes an egregious play and tell your friend to stop going off on people who can't play.

I once was sitting next to one of the worst players I've ever seen in Prague, he once rebought over 22 times in a rebuy tourney in which the second most was around 6 or 7 times, and he told me that he wished the idiots at the table were better because he'd make more money--they didn't know when to fold or to respect his bets, so he had no way of beating these monkeys. This is the type of player you want and you congratulate him when he gets lucky or sucks out; you don't berate or teach him. Seriously.

+1

That you could even consider berating a player that loses regularly, doesn't angle shoot and plays with you often is puzzling.

You should never berate a player for how they play. I think it is completely appropriate to berate a player for cheating, collusion, or angleshooting. These are players I would like to drive out of my game (and drive out of poker entirely), no matter how well they play.

I dont see how a player's bad play can change the odds of what card a dealer gets, unless you are shuffle tracking or something shady like that. It doesn't seem like you understand odds.

Tell your friend to STFU, and also not to start a hand with only $275 (55bb) when everyone else at the table has at least 600 and some have 1500. That way when he gets the nuts he can bet it any damn way he pleases. Let me guess--did he rebuy for $500+ after this hand?

Also, if he has pocket 3s, and the flop comes 733, does he shove on the flop so a guy with pocket 7s can't draw to a bigger set of quads?

this is the correct answer

But when he takes the card he shouldn't, and that then causes the dealer to bust, do you go "nice pull"?

I berate players who berate players that are good for the game

i thought the russian donks on pokerstars were playing there so we could berate them but live its just a bad sport shouldnt happen. But what i think is even worse is see players like Hellmuth and Tony G not only berate players but deales also and they do it none stop.

Cheating, soft play, and angle shooting are the only justifiable reasons for speaking down to another poker player.