Yes, if a judge's hammer came down this second, their verdict would go your way. People may be considering doing so as we "speak", but think about it, there is zero upside for them to do so and people have seen how capable NVG is of attacking like a pack of hounds. I don't blame those staying quiet.

Also, I have not yet finished my arguments, ones which I have not yet made but only hinted at a little. (think rough sleepers, eugenics, humanity not maths, clean v dirty hands)

This could say more about you than me.

The crowd isn't always right, of course. Herd mentality and groupthink are real. But that doesn't mean that every time a thread has a lot of people taking one side of an argument, that's what's happening.

It seems like you've locked yourself into this role of contrarian or Devil's Advocate. Unfortunately, it seems you've taken it from a good thing (standing up for what you think/believe in even when everyone else is railing against you can be great and even courageous) to this point where people disagreeing with you just makes you stand firmer in your beliefs.

But one of my main points I've made is one that you clearly have missed. It's OK if no one shares your viewpoint or feels strongly enough to rally behind you. But you're allowed to move on.

This says a lot about my last point. You keep saying that you have more points to make, you're going to respond to REG, etc., etc. You could have done all of that long ago, rather than all of those posts about more to come later. And it's not this silly 100 word thing you managed to shackle yourself with that's stopping you - it's your need to argue every last point ad nauseam. I could be found guilty of that ITT recently too - but I'm not the one who claims to have a bunch of other points to make but can't because of "fending off attacks from all angles".

Back to your original point, there is one thing your observation says about me. For better or worse, I almost certainly post much more often to disagree with someone than I do to agree. That means that when you're someone who often has everyone disagreeing with you, I guess I'll be in that crowd sometimes. The vast majority of your posts, I haven't responded to - either because I didn't care, didn't see them, or didn't have an opinion that I felt needed to be expressed. Sometimes I would have agreed with you, sometimes disagreed, sometimes indifferent. Just like with most people.

Have a good night everyone or whatever time of day it is where you are. Remember to be kind to and help all of those around you not just those that are in need according to the results of an algorithm devised in a laboratory.

I'm taking a break from this thread (3 to 4 days likely) and when I return I will ask for one-off special dispensation to post a very long piece addressing all of REG''s ethics related points and my own conclusion. People can then hate, love or be indifferent to my views 'til their heart's content.

YES YES YES !!!!! Thank you and let's hope you are taking an indefinite break!!!

No, it doesn't 'make up for it' in any way. Also you are in no way morally obligated to do so.

A charity for you to consider Sage ... https://www.thedonkeysanctuary.org.uk/

don't forget that liv boeree told Sage he is more of an idealist then she is.
so he must be right.

And he is now best buddies with Sam Grafton
And he hugged it our with Dan Smith
And he knows all other top pro's read this thread and agree with him but can't speak out because of image purposes.

this is getting semi-hilarious

Whenever there's disagreement, will usually try to understand the other side, to try and find common ground ... and sometimes that seems to help with being able to anticipate some of the possible replies as well? Not quite sure what to expect in this case though And would usually shy away from commenting when that's the case, but will see how things go ...

This seems like a false premise, to say that "a significant portion" of winnings comes from degenerate gamblers?

One of the justifications for the existence of government is that society is better off when laws can be enacted with the greater good in mind. And many goverments around the world have chosen to legalize gambling because they've concluded that the world is better off with legalized gambling in it - because there are many more people who tend to derive enjoyment from it, who don't go on to become "degenerate gamblers". So wouldn't it tend to be more likely that a significant portion of winnings are tending to come more from recreationals who are tending to play for the enjoyment of the experience?

Most governments seem to be very happy to accept the tax on winnings from players of all sorts, including professionals ... especially professionals, no doubt! $$ Guess to help out problem gamblers, haven't most governments passed laws that place the responsibility of dealing with addiction issues on the casino ... and also the individual? Like don't casinos have to provide education pamphlets on the dangers of problem gambling, and have in place a self-exclusion program, and stuff like that? And then, guess it's up to the individual to try and use good bankroll management, etc.

Gambling is supposed to be fun - guess sometimes the variance can be cruel ... we've all had those horrific runs, no doubt. And some of the games have gotten very hard. But there still seem to be ways to keep things fun

Hope you're still enjoying your poker SageDonkey?

gregorio,

Given that you are pretty much an acknowledged "guy-that-knows-how-to-connect-the-bad-poster-with-their-pretty-much-forgotten-back-history", I have to ask if SageDonkey's self-important, delusional, pseudo-intellectual, self-absorbed, rambling, illogical posting style reminds you of that young Brit from a few years ago that used to yammer on about: lack of motivation; his loss of virginity tale; living at home with his parents; the world owes him everything; saving money up to travel... yada yada yada.

It sure is starting to seem like a match to me.

What do you think, could SageDonkeybe that guy?

You and I both know that donkey sanctuaries are an unjustifiable drain on economic resources and that they should be humanely put out of their misery and made into donkey jackets, the money saved going to worthy third world projects.

Sorry that I keep calling you radialot, I realise it is raidalot.

Corporate Raiding....... ooh controversial! I hope you haven't been buying carbon credits with your winnings from a lap top in Starbucks, lol, or maybe you've hostile bid taken over a carbon credit company, broken it up and bought mosquito nets with the profits!

(Greed is good, etc)

2 out 4 for sure, possibly 3.

I doubt Dan Smith will be hugging me any time soon after my "buy one get one free" comment.

I genuinely think what he donated was fantastic, I am just not a fan of the other stuff surrounding it. Let people make their own balanced decisions IMO, it shouldn't be a sales pitch.

To be fair, it's most likely he didn't have a strategy meeting with himself about his charity drive, he just did what he thought was best and would produce the best end results.

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Op what happened with the 3-4 day break at least from posting in thread .. 32 hrs !!!

I am back because.....

I would dearly love to respond to all of REG's points about ethics that they kindly posted links to ITT, and to make some kind of conclusion of my thoughts on the issues.

But to do this properly and to write it in an unambiguous way it will take me several hours and the post as a guesstimate will be something like 2000 to 4000 words long.

So can a mod please give me one off permission to write a post of up to 5000 words. Thank you.

LO****ingL.

If you want to talk to a mod, send a PM, don't post in a train wreck of a thread hoping a mod might happen to see it.

And not to me, I'm not an NVG mod.

Okay, sorry, I wasn't aware that there was such a system. Can you tell me who the NVG mod is please and I will pm them.

Pretty unfair btw to call the thread a train wreck. REG haven't done that and I think you and everyone else should reserve judgement until after my post if it's allowed. Then judge away.

Most people ITT have said they disagree with me but haven't referenced REG's own views. I will be referencing them.

Go to the NVG page and look at the bottom right under where it says "Moderators". There are a few people listed.



And this thread is a fairly poor thread IMO (to be generic and simple) and I'm quite sure that I'm not going to read the five thousand word post that you want to ask permission to make, so I can't reserve judgment until after I read that. Just how it is.

Okay, fair enough that's you. It may not apply to everyone. I have diligently read through a few thousand words on the links REG posted. To make sound arguments and support them with solid reasoning and evidence often does require a lot of words.

(my guesstimate is 2K to 4K, 5K is just a buffer) I haven't started writing it yet.

I would encourage others to read REG's links. What they say is very interesting.

Thank you for the contact method to request a longer post.

I'm not sure what relevance what REG has or hasn't said has here. And I was judging the thread to this point.

That said, sure, train wreck might have been going a little far. But it is pretty poor to this point.

Yes, it does. But if I were to wager on such things, I'm pretty sure I'd be getting my money in good if I said that your essay will prove to be at least twice as long as necessary, based on past experience. Seriously, don't spend the "several hours" you've suggested you need to, unless it really gives you great pleasure to do so.

32 hours is 4 days in donkey years. Five thousand human words is one hundred in donkey words.

no one wants a 5000 word post from this guy really we should be limiting him to 100 words imo

have you read 'Fooled by randomness' ?

You and nobody actually has any idea what ~60% of it will be, so please do not prejudge the unknown.

I will be applying lateral thinking to some areas. I have a page of notes already for the whole of my post. Just awaiting the go ahead to convert it into a formed piece of writing. Which is ~5 hours of work.

I have applied to a mod and let them know that 5000 words is unlikely, it may be more like 2000 words and I will do my very best to aggressively edit down my first draft before posting.

Go for it, donkey. Sure to turn out as a classic.

I pity the mod who gets the PM

PM sent. Since you started this thread I will allow you to do this. I have replied to your PM. You are still obligated to the 100 word rule in all other threads.