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Ethical Dilemma: Should I have done this? Ethical Dilemma: Should I have done this?

10-15-2007 , 09:59 AM
Folks: I would appreciate some honest feedback.

I was playing a 5-table Sit-n-Go tourney at my local card room. I entered along with my friend Angus, who happens to be Scottish (he moved here over 10 years' ago, but still speaks with a very heavy accent). Anyhow, after about 45 minutes of play, Angus gets moved to my table and sits directly to my left.

First of all, to avoid any potential conflict, I immediately raise my hand and address the table to let each one of them know that Angus and I are friends and that his mom actually drove both of us to the tourney. I did not want there to be any ambiguities.

A few hands in, Angus suffered a bad beat to the woman on MY right. Angus looked at me and said softly (referring to the woman on my right) "f@cking c@nt called me with that [censored]!" Except, with his heavy accent, it sounded like he was saying something completely different. But, I DID KNOW what he said.

Anyhow, the woman looks up and says, "hey! what did you just say?" Angus quickly said, I said "f@cking c@nt called me with that [censored]!" She said, okay.

Now, obviously, she didn't understand what Angus was saying, but I did! I had a moral dillema between the card-players' code of honor, and my friendship with Angus. I quickly repeated what Angus said, but in clear English. I told the woman, "Excuse me, but you may not have heard him clearly, he said, 'f@cking c@nt called me with that [censored]!'"

Now, she is clearly upset and calls the floor. The dealer overheard the exchange as well. The ruling was that I HAD TO TAKE a 20-minute timeout for swearing, while Angus had to take a 20-minute for not speaking English at the table!

I don't think the ruling against me was fair, and it was not actually correct against Angus, although technically, I suppose, he was not speaking English.

After the time out, we resume our play and both Angus and I bubbled the tourney and still had to wait nearly an hour for our ride home.

I really wish I would have kept my big mouth shut.
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10-15-2007 , 10:01 AM
lol
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10-15-2007 , 10:05 AM
Next time call her the same thing once she gets you the penalty.

This is a game of wills and I'm afraid you flinched first by settling for a single penalty.
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10-15-2007 , 10:10 AM
shouldn't this go in BBV?

brag: you called the bitch out
beat: penalty for calling the bitch out
beat: you and your friend bubbled
beat: friend's name is Angus
beat: had your friend's mom drive you there
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10-15-2007 , 10:10 AM
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his mom actually drove both of us to the tourney.
lolllllllllllllllllllllllll
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10-15-2007 , 10:12 AM
Why say anything at all? Don't let the table know you two are friends -- I mean, it's a local card room and people are going to come together, so it's to be expected that some people are going to know each other whether they came together or are regulars and just chat it up. No need to say anything.

Also, if there is a discussion between the woman and your friend, why are you getting involved in it?

If your friend has a very thick accent and they are accusing him of not using English at the table THEN you should probably say something just to make sure your friend isn't penalized because of his thick accent, but that's it.
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10-15-2007 , 10:14 AM
OP- I totally forgot to ask.

Is your friend a Colonel?
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10-15-2007 , 10:16 AM
this is such a big lol.
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10-15-2007 , 10:16 AM
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I really wish I would have kept my big mouth shut.
It's a wise tournament director that recognizes that when these words are said by a Scotsman, its a term of endearment, but when said by an American, they're being abusive and need a penalty.
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10-15-2007 , 10:18 AM
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OP- I totally forgot to ask.

Is your friend a steak ?
FYP
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10-15-2007 , 10:18 AM
mmmm angus burger. juicy. aghghghgh
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10-15-2007 , 10:19 AM
lol, are you serious?
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10-15-2007 , 10:24 AM
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lol, are you serIAL ?
FYP
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10-15-2007 , 10:25 AM
This has got to be a level. If it's not, then the OP is a total ******.
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10-15-2007 , 10:34 AM
A+ excellent, plz more trip reports!
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10-15-2007 , 10:38 AM
WOW, your an awful friend. You repeated what your boy said? if angus wasnt such a loser he would have left you at the casino and gotten a new best friend.
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10-15-2007 , 10:41 AM
u go to chruch 4 times a week?
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10-15-2007 , 10:56 AM
i hope this post is a joke if not wtf what'd you rat Angus out for you should've enjoyed his comment and laughed at the woman behind her back
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10-15-2007 , 11:26 AM
Ach aye laddie ye can nae a be doin this kinda daftie carryin oon at poker tables. Hoots mon wheres yer senses?
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10-15-2007 , 11:34 AM
Ronald,

This stuff is pure gold. Please write more. I'm dead serious.
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10-15-2007 , 11:43 AM
Damn, beat me to it.

(You owe me a new keyboard, one not drenched in snorted Dr. Pepper.)
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10-15-2007 , 12:17 PM
god people are stupid
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10-15-2007 , 12:28 PM
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I don't think the ruling against me was fair, and it was not actually correct against Angus, although technically, I suppose, he was not speaking English.
Technically, I suppose, you weren't speaking English either then, but American.

And why would you repeat what he said to her instead of just laughing because she didn't understand him the second time either, but pretended she did? This was a decent story right until you opened your mouth.
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10-15-2007 , 12:39 PM
[x] Ronald
[x] Angus
[ ] American dream
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10-15-2007 , 12:43 PM
I think you should have gotten a 20 minute penalty for raising your hand at the table to address the table.
You should then receive another 20-minute penalty, to be applied to your next tournament, for having to wait an hour for his mom to pick you up.
Then another 20 minute penalty for having a friend named Angus.
And then another 20 min pen for being so stupid as to repeat what he said to the woman.

Wow, that's a lot of penalties you should have racked up there. They let you off easy.
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